Since I posted the first batch in another thread here's a new one so the old one gets where it belongs, that being history.

Whoever is interested should make one post and edit it with what they got. Please try and do runs of at least 300 NPC's. Also it would be awesome if you'd use my template. Thanks.

28th September 2011

500 NPC's

Rare/Extremely Rare Bosses

5 Fabrication Plants
1 Dark Nexus
2 Rethion, Lazuli Superhauler
1 Graxis, Stryl Prison
1 XRP-Prototype
1 Dark Megacomplex
1 Xavox

Total : 12

Rare/Extremely Rare NPC's

1 Rogue Experimenter
2 T.O. Troop Carriers
3 Rogue LabPods

Total : 6

Grand Total for Rare/Extremely Rare : 18 (3.6%)

Uncommon NPC's

3 Sabre Gunships
16 Tyrants
6 Dark Eluders
24 Dark Traffickers
6 Mylarai Extractor
3 Lazuli Harrowers
4 RSL Confinement Centers
10 Sha'din Penetrators
6 Sha'din Shockfighter
8 Stryll Desolators
22 Stryll Trapper
6 RSL Siege Cannon
3 Blade Harvesters

Total : 117 ( 23.4%)


29th September 2011

800 NPC's

Rare/Extremely Rare Bosses

1 Korteth, Crimson Carrier
2 Fabrication Plants
1 Dark Megacomplex
1 XRP Warp Station
2 Xavox
1 Silthion Hive Colony
1 XRP-Prototype
1 Silthion Queen
1 Xiloy, Drannik Encephalon

Total : 11


Rare/Extremely Rare NPC's

2 T.O. Troop Carriers
4 Rogue LabPods
2 Dark Arms Carrier
1 Sha'din Envoy

Total : 9

Grand Total for Rare/Extremely Rare : 20 (2.5%)


Uncommon NPC's

2 Sabre Gunships
25 Tyrants
3 Dark Eluders
25 Dark Traffickers
1 Mylarai Extractor
7 Lazuli Harrowers
4 RSL Confinement Centers
5 Sha'din Penetrators
5 Sha'din Shockfighter
8 Stryll Desolators
20 Stryll Trapper
9 RSL Siege Cannon
3 Blade Harvesters

Total : 117 (14%)

30th September 2011

500 NPC's

Rare/Extremely Rare Bosses

1 Dark Megacomplex
1 Xavox
2 Silthion Hive Colony
2 Silthion Queen

Total : 6


Rare/Extremely Rare NPC's

1 T.O. Troop Carriers
1 Sha'din Envoy

Total : 2

Grand Total for Rare/Extremely Rare :8 (1.6%)


Uncommon NPC's

3 Sabre Gunships
8 Tyrants
2 Dark Eluders
13 Dark Traffickers
2 Mylarai Extractor
2 Lazuli Harrowers
1 RSL Confinement Centers
5 Sha'din Penetrators
6 Sha'din Shockfighter
3 Stryll Desolators
12 Stryll Trapper
4 RSL Siege Cannon
1 Blade Harvesters

Total :62 (12%)

Here's what happened today (09.30.11) . I didn't hunt 500 NPC's in one run. I got 100-150, killed a Rank 5 base, then came back to finish the 500. Could it be a factor ? The numbers are quite different from the other two days.

sorry, but theres a typo. it should be 14% for your uncommons, not 1.4

Interesting idea:

Common (241): 86.38%
Uncommon (31): 11.11%
Rare (5): 1.79%
Extremely Rare (2): 0.72%

Total killed: 279

87.03% (4 types)
11.85% (9 types)
0.94% (3 types)
0.06% (1 type)

No scan, no bosses. No fixed rank NPC except flamehawk. Ridiculously large sample size.

Dark Runner
Sha'din Charger
Crimson Flamehawk
Rogue Tech Collector

Dark Trafficker
Stryll Trapper
Sha'din Penetrator
RSL Siege Cannon
Sha'din Shockfighter
Lazuli Harrower
Mylarai Extractor
Sabre Gunship
Blade Harvester

T.O. Troop Carrier
Dark Arms Carrier
Rogue LabPod

Rogue Experimenter

I'll post my 2000 NPC sample size list in a hour. Almost done...

Kinda cheered me up that more people are getting sick percentages of common npc's

Didn't keep track of my numbers but there around the same absoulutly ridiculous amounts of those assassins popping up i got 6 npc slots 5/6 are usually assassins..

Last night i had a chain of 40+ of them spawning on my bt really thought it was a bug.. The common rates really really need adjusting.

Will post my next npc run

CHOP CHOP DAN

Some mission npc stats based on the items in cargo,
Non-Player Kills 791

Chron Shifter Part (Uses Left: 33)
Drannik Archive Chip (Uses Left: 36)
RSL Anti-Cryptex (Uses Left: 21)
Zolazin Debris, 342

T.O. Grid Controller (Uses Left: 8) (fornis twins uncommon)

This data is regarding Rank 900+. Scan at 6800.
Out of 2000 NPCs, I was able to find 21 Rares, 4 Extremely Rare. That's 1.25%
Uncommon has a 12.45% chance.

This is probably due to the lack of elites I can see. No longer do I see the Hive Colony, Queen, and quite a few already. I do not have any pending Mission NPCs. I pretty much completed all missions available in this game other than the repeatables and the XTS-9.

I average about 50NPC per 5 minutes. That's 2000NPCs per 2hrs if I really try.

Same as most an 85% + on commons

If both of you tell the truth (and I totally, honestly, truthfully think you are) both logs can't be true, if the spawn system is random.

I'd really like Dan say something on this. I had this suspicion the "random" spawn rate isn't "random" at all (same goes with the art pulls) but this kind of eliminated the suspicion and turned it into a strong belief. By the way, Oakland, my numbers are close to yours. I have no idea what Bunny is doing to get his.
One question. When (what time of the day) did you farmed and where do you live ?

The terraformers and data optimizers are all I care about, but when I was farming at high rank, it was about 1 in 300-330 , that is showing a higher drop ratio even with more npcs in the mix. Odd.

The quote from A Fluffy Bunny is taken out of context; he posted how much he had in his cargo before and after. I believe he got 8 Terraforming devices.

It's a big difference from two months vs september and what is now. During September, everyone noticed a drop in finding rare/extremely rare and I believe Toxic Purifers were changed to rare instead of Uncommon. Dan states he changed it back to normal, and my chart is what is showing after the change. So it depends on when you actually performed the hunt that got you the higher drop ratio.

I remember finding a lot more Terraforming devices and toxic purifiers which is also what I cared about. Other than finding XRP Warp Station for their upgrade modules and more Crimson Scythe for two more hull modules.

As far as I concerned the drop rate is just as "good" (read bad) as it was when I started that "Why make the game unplayable" thread. However I won't jump to conclusion based on three horrible hunts/days. Today (Sat 8th of October) and tomorrow I plan on matching your sample Oakland. I bet I get what you got or worse. That being 1:600-1:700 for Troop Carriers. I'll keep you posted.

Edit with the first 1000.

Rare/Extremely Rare Bosses

3 Fabrication Plants
1 Telarys Carrier
1 Dark Nexus
1 Rethion, Lazuli Superhauler
3 XRP-Prototype
3 Xavox
2 Silthion Hive Colony
3 Silthion Queen
1 Xiloy Drannik Encephalon


Rare/Extremely Rare NPC's

1 Rogue Experimenter
1 T.O. Troop Carriers
2 Rogue LabPods
2 Sha'din Envoys
1 Crimson Scythe
3 Dark Arms Carrier

2.8% Rares and Extremely rares. 5 Blade Harvesters.

Either way 2 Rogue LabPods, 1 Troop Carrier and 5 Blade Harvesters for 1000 NPC's seems... You find a term becase I can't. I'll come back tomorrow with another 1000 NPC's sample.

Mission NPC spawn rates (they are nice to leave tracking items behind):

Non-Player Kills 1559
Chron Shifter Part (Uses Left: 73) = 4.7%
Drannik Archive Chip (Uses Left: 93) = 6.0%
RSL Anti-Cryptex (Uses Left: 48) = 3.1%
Zolazin Debris, 640 = 41.1%
T.O. Grid Controller (Uses Left: 20) (fornyis twins/uncommon) = 1.3%

Total, 56.1% mission spawns. Drannik is the only matched one, but it's decent xp.

The numbers for the last 1000 kills are in:


9th October 2011

1000 NPC's



Rare/Extremely Rare Bosses

3 Fabrication Plants
3 Dark Megacomplex
1 Xavox
1 Silthion Hive Colony
1 Telarys Carrier


Rare/Extremely Rare NPC's

1 Rogue Experimenter
2 T.O. Troop Carriers
1 Rogue LabPods
1 Sha'din Envoys
2 Crimson Scythe
1 Dark Arms Carrier

Total : 17 (1.7%)


Uncommon NPC's

3 Sabre Gunships
14 Tyrants
3 Dark Eluders
22 Dark Traffickers
5 Mylarai Extractor
0 Lazuli Harrowers
5 RSL Confinement Centers
13 Sha'din Penetrators
8 Sha'din Shockfighter
9 Stryll Desolators
18 Stryll Trappers
3 RSL Siege Cannon
4 Blade Harvesters

Total : 107 (10.7%)


104 Rogue Data Analyzer
120 Stryll Assassins



Looking at the numbers (both mine's and Oakland's) there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the spawn rate is back to the numbers that made me start the "Why make the game unplayable..." thread. On top of that Dan introduced two rares with one having without a doubt an utterly useless drop and he introduced the new common assassins.

Now, obviously, Dan owns his business and he can do as he sees fit handling. I would be without an argument if Dan wouldn't chose to lie to his customers. Yes. Lie.


You didn't get the point and you didn't do what you said you'd do. You adjusted the rarity back for a week or so (up to last Monday-Tuesday, look at AFluffyBunny's numbers) but then changed them to the ones thats started the whole thing. Without changing the text, obviously, because that was the "smoking gun" last time.

What's there left to say ? Good job killing your game, Dan. That's about it.

A few things as closing words. Vette, you're better off buying your terraformers under the current conditions (that's what Dan wants after all) than buying energy refills. And to any dumbass that would feel like saying "You don't know what you're talking about, I just got a terraformer !". Cherish the moment. You'll see the next one in 1000 NPC's.

yes he did exactly what he said... people didn't realize when he said it though that adding new npcs would reduce the rate.... even if he would have never lowered the rates, adding npcs would have lowered the rates anyway....

if you're unsatisfied just leave already, but i'm getting more troop carriers now than before the initial change that lowered their rarity... (yes i know it's only a perceived streak of luck, but hey, i have nothing to complain about right now!!)

The last part of my post was meant for you and your kind. Let me re-iterate it for you tho. He changed it back then changed it again. That AFTER he introduced the two new rares that might have changed the spawn a bit. It's not the envoys and scytes. Go look at Bunny's numbers and you will see he was getting them. He got 21 TO Troop Carriers last Saturday and Sunday out of 4500 NPC's me and Oakland got 6 out of 4000 NPC's after Dan introduced the assassins. Here's the thing. The assassins don't have anything to do with Troop Carriers since their spawn pool is un-related. So, Dan messed with the spawn rated per se.

Then again I don't think trying to explain anything to you would do any of us any good. It's like talking to a wall.

He had 21, he got 8.