I think that was a majorly uncool move trying to trade like that and i would not trade with him after seeing this


Also am i the only one who noticed the third image did not get the name whited out??

I call BS on him not having any ctp. Send back the artis and demand either the planet back or the 50k ctp. That dude's more loaded than Santa on Christmas. And he can just borrow the ctp off someone to pay you, I know he got dem connections!

yeah thats what he thought he was getting

First, there is a difference between intentionally misreading something and having inconclusive contract that could lead to misunderstanding/communication.
Second, I only used the term "flux" because we are discussing a matter informally. When I trade, I tend to use full names so you won't ever catch me on that(thou everything before the final trade statement might be in shorthands)

In any case, the agreed upon deal was, as far as I can see:
artifact that cloudnine can sell and value over 50k CTP.
Fact is, any and all artifact CAN sell, if nothing else they can be scrapped for Cred which can be turned into KU which have a CTP value.

The value of each artifact, however, was NOT discussed, which means for all intend and purposes they can be sold for whatever cloudnine wishes, as long as he can sell them. And the value they yield overall must total over 50k CTP together with whatever other item he paid with.
So what cloudnine could very well do is sell them for an extremely discounted price, record those sales and use them to claim that the total value is insufficient and therefore the contract incomplete.
Now, to be fair and avoid other possible fuss, it can be done auction style with darklegacy as one of the "buyer" with CTP, and/or other specifically defined currency, as the only acceptable currency. If darklegacy consider an artifact is being sold too cheaply, he can bid them back. Otherwise, he would have to accept whatever the item ended up selling as. Note that there would be a "minimal" bid in place in all cases--the scrap value, a price that the game is willing to buy the item for, so nothing would go unsold.

So you would be fine with receiving a KVT as 50k CTP payment? OK.


This is very true.

not just a kvt, but if you get me 1T kvt i will happily pay you 50k ctp

Hmm lol, I think you find your wrong!, if you don't state planet flux apperantly they can send flux probs, I didn't make these rules or do I abide by them, just so you know others will

Total agree with you but CRA have stepped in and they dont agree, they have wnet to reputable traders and C9 must accept those prices, at this time Imminent Cat, have taken over procedings, as at rank 200+ C9 wouldn't know a fair deal

If you think the price is indeed fair, then it's all fine. If not, here is what you can do:

Ask that "reputable trader" to buy the item from you at a 5-10% discounted price from what he listed. If he is really a trader and the price are fair, he should take them, as it would net him a profit and that's what traders do. If he is unwilling, you can claim that the price is not realistic for the condition of "can sell" because obviously the trader can't sell them at the suggested price or he would have taken them. C9 would end up 3-5k CTP short because of this discount thing but it might be worth it to ensure a fair deal.

Alternatively, you can ask that trader to sell those items at those prices for you, as a proof of "can sell". For that some kind of commission, either fixed or % rate would have to be paid for the trader. Again, C9 would end up taking a small hit in term of total CTP received, but this would also ensure fairness. The difference with the above is that as opposed to one up front deal, this would be a continuous process until everything sells(thou you might want to establish what is a reasonable time frame). As such, price fluctuation would be taken into account. The final verdict of whether or not the artifacts "can sell" for "more than 50k" would be yielded at the end of this sell period. And if proven unable to sell for such amount, darklegacy would have to pay the difference, as the contract would be incomplete.

As it turn out one of the reputable traders was our energy provider and we got told he would not accept them.
would also like to point out DarkLegacy knew he was dealing with in experienced traders.
anyway I think IC and CRA will come to some sort of agreement as I heard lots of good stuff about their trading policies.

Pro tip- when you make a deal...say ill give you x for y.

Then no one has to guess what all the other letters mean or value they hold. It's pretty simple.

My thoughts on all of this!

To start when making the deal hammer out the details! don't just say I accepts tm, foci , dp and derpy hoofs! Name a price on each! And the price you name is the price that stays for the whole payment. Also if payment will take time be forthcoming with it, Honesty works well.

Don't bid if you cant pay, Don't purge till you get the goods. Also when in a trade both people the buy and the seller should have a responsibility not to be Jack wagons! 8k nanos was not the best move, that's kinda like buying with cloning pods. Should have known better all and all. I see many mistakes on both sides. I also think this deal happen before he joined or right after he joined us. either Way I dont like this and it's not CRA style. So still looking in to it just have had lots of OT this week.

Personally Despite Poor trading agreements I think The seller should get a fair deal! Don't have 1005 the info yet still have unanswered questions , But CRA is an honest fair legion.

Dark Legacy. This is the guy who drives up bids on planets and says *yawn* as he bids 50K CTP, claiming he can do that all day.

Naturally, aside from someone being burned, i find this thread amusing.

Yeah I have heard that a few time on the planet sales page.