I often get advised that multi raiding is not worth it. Apart from yellow badges, I do not see a difference between a single and multiple raids. Is there some other difference?

Are yellows the only real benefit to raiding?
How many mp/ap would need to be pulled per raid for it to be beneficial with no yellow badge?
How much is a TM really worth in that exchange?

To me, yes, they are, as the amount of AP or MP you get is not very much.
For me..... You would have to get at least 193,600 AP or MP to make raiding beneficial in and of itself. All of the artifacts added together equal 96,800, so you would need to get twice that, on average, to account for the MP or AP roll.
A TM is worth 96,800 AP. That's how much AP it would take to get one of every artifact.

If they don't have MP you can only raid AP, so that 193,600 is not really correct. The sum is 95800 not 96800, but that is not really significant. Yellows are worth ap if you buy heist stations, but not everyone does.

To answer your question ICBLF, not multi raiding (usually) prevents someone from multi raiding you which negates some of the raiding you do. Other than that not really, find the highest easily ranked player you can and have a field day. The extra AP/MP you get from the rank difference will make it more worth it or you than them and they might be too ashamed to even alert you.

Best value is having a yellow for each raid ....but it's almost impossible for anyone to get on the leader board if you play the standard way. So do whatcha gotta do to stay on the top

Why is it almost impossible?

Successful Hacks 7072
Successful Raids 5555

Primarily from standard badging (only multi- was retaliatory)

At the moment multi raiding for me is absolutely not worth it. I need thousands of badges still for 2x cyperbotbot 2.0, Bainar, and the CK69 sentry. My TM's are and will be very precious to me for several months at least.

3,804 for all the yellow mods I think (probably did the math wrong)...

I'd go with this. A few months ago, I had 1.5k yellows and blues and a heist dispatch or intelligence nexus on every planet where it could improve production so they were worthless. Now that I have another use for them badge hits have become useful, but once I have enough badges again they immediately go back to the junk bin.

I get 95,400 as the total AP for all artifacts. That aside, what about all the other artis you get for that AP? You're essentially saying 1 TM is worth another TM and 2 of every other artifact, including all the non-tradeable ones. Clearly 1 TM is not worth 2 TMs because an unused TM is worth nothing. I'd value a rescued prisoner at least 100 times more than a TM - curious how you compare the two though. In my mind, if I get 1 more prisoner, bracket, xcharge, helmsman and scientist per 400 TMs I think it's worth it, since without using those TMs I'm gaining nothing.

Also, I buy TMs for CTPs and kurenite fairly often (1 TM:5 to 7 CTPs:250 to 350 kur). How does that affect the calculation for you?


Say you have all the yellow mods and upgraded heists you could want, is raiding still worth it? Is using a TM to raid worth it?


So once you get the rewards, will raiding be worth a TM again? And why or why not?


Looks right:

2940 Yellow Badges to get and max the CK69 Assault Sentry
+240 Yellow Badges for 3 Protean Armories
+624 Yellow Badges to upgrade all 3 to Protean Arsenals
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3804 total

I think the main idea is what you've stated, multi-raiding enough times to get a single Rescued Prisoner makes up for the loss in TMs probably on a greater scale than 100:1. I've speculated what the market value would be of Rescued Prisoners and as impossible a conjecture as it would be to calculate I'd say they're easily worth an Artifact Storage which is != 100 x TM value, but close enough to say it could easily be more than that.

That being said... it's the etiquette thing that people dislike about multi-raiding. Strategy wise I say you're MUCH better off multi-raiding. Basic math proves that and a deeper look would probably show that you'll average greater than the 1 rescued prisoner per 100 tms...

Just my two cents.

That depends... if I raid someone and get 3k+ AP I may continue to raid for a bit as long as those numbers hold out. On the other hand TM's are also worth good CTP and I can always use more ways to supplement that for buying planets and storage.

I dont think the question is about whether a raid is worth a TM. You're going to be using a TM if you're raiding more thank once every 15 mins.
The Raid vs Multiraid question is about whether that raid is against someone you raided before or if you spend the E to kill another ship to raid them, get a red and yellow badge, but also get less raids before TM locked.