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OK, Here's some more Plurvious Math for ya'll
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PLURVIOUS
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:10 am
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 I've been trying to track artifact pulls (to measure distributions), but there is a problem that comes up ALL THE TIME: the numbers just don't add up... 1. I started with 390,094 Artifact Points 2. Then I did a big artifact pull: "You acquire 249 Artifact(s)". 3. This is the outerHTML of the artifact list: Code: <div id="fullartlist" style="width: 100%; text-align: center;">Krionus Virus Trap x4<br>Refining Lab Chassis x6<br>Tesseract Container x7<br>Processing Core Chassis x4<br>Alien Data Disc x3<br>Rescued Prisoners x6<br>Containment Missile x5<br>Unstable Wormhole Emitter x8<br>Tachyon Cylinder x3<br>Dark Pyramid x7<br>Phase Cutter Chassis x7<br>Quantum Firewall Trap x6<br>Relay Tower Chassis x6<br>Continuum Beacon x6<br>Null Fuse x3<br>Halcyon Trap x5<br>Longevity Serum x9<br>Subspace Seeker x4<br>Ion Storm Charge x5<br>Ion Repulsor Charge x1<br>Shield Amplifier x4<br>Android Scientist x6<br>Grid Console x5<br>Calming Amplifier x4<br>Spy Probe - Defenses x10<br>EMP Sphere x3<br>Crimson Obelisk x4<br>Spy Probe - Weapons x8<br>Void Shell x3<br>Android Helmsman x4<br>Containment Cage x5<br>Ancient Crystal Foci x6<br>Flux Probe x4<br>Spy Uplink Chassis x3<br>Disarming Bomb x5<br>Positron Clouder x6<br>Planetary Time Vortex x4<br>Grav-Whip Trap x4<br>Star Chart Purger x4<br>Mass Storage Pod x3<br>Time Manipulator x7<br>Neural Interface x3<br>Engineered Virus x7<br>Durtanium Brackets x5<br>Quantum Flare x1<br>Warp Gate Chassis x4<br>Repair Nanodrones x5<br>Alarm Sentry x3<br>Planet Vortex Deflector x2<br>Space Elevator Chassis x5<br>Omicron Mine Trap x2<br>Shield Sentries x2<br>Shield Restorer x3<br>Sentry Guards x1<br>Drannik Saboteur x3<br>Cloning Pods x3<br>Nanite Swarm Capsules x2<br>XCharge Cells x1<br>Ship-Bot x2<br>Spy Probe - Resources x1<br></div> 4. If you add those up, it's actually 262 artifact (that's 13 more listed than reported). 5. I had 894 Artifacts Points after the pull, meaning I spent 389,200 for the pull. 6. If I add up the values of the artifacts as listed, it accounts for 392,500 (a difference of 3300). So, in other words: 1. The number of artifacts reported to have been pulled is inconsistent. 2. I got 3300 Artifact Points more than I should have. 3. Which number/list can I trust? Did 3300 artifact points worth of artifacts simply not get listed? Did they at least show up in my cargo? I mean, Dan math is something fun to laugh at: "lol, negative hull", "wtf is a partial research point", or "oh 1000M credits - yea, that's much more than 1B credits". But when it starts to get my artifact pulls out of whack, it's no longer funny. It's a problem that needs to be addressed. _________________PLURVION: Immortal GP Jedi and Loyal Distinguished Minion to Ms. T.  
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Jackie
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:55 am
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Note that artifacts such as cloning pods and probes come in 3s and 2s but count as 1 artifact for reporting.
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| Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:42 pm |
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thunderbolta
Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 11:01 am
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Jackie wrote: Note that artifacts such as cloning pods and probes come in 3s and 2s but count as 1 artifact for reporting. To expand, it counts as 1 in the "You receive x artifact(s)." but counts as 2/3 in the "Artifact Y x Z"
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| Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:45 pm |
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PLURVIOUS
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:10 am
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Location: Shredding NPCs and fantasizing about natural Dysons in this beefy UFO that I built in my basement
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They all come one at a time. I know this because I sat and collected one at a time for thousands of points to get the cost of each one. Turns out the wiki is correct, but I wanted to see the data for myself.
_________________PLURVION: Immortal GP Jedi and Loyal Distinguished Minion to Ms. T.
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| Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:46 pm |
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PLURVIOUS
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:10 am
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But if it helps, I can record my balance of those artis in question before and after to verify. If that is the case, it needs to fixed; the reporting needs to be accurate.
_________________PLURVION: Immortal GP Jedi and Loyal Distinguished Minion to Ms. T.
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| Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:50 pm |
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Jackie
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:55 am
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Not sure what you mean by "they all come one at a time". Flux probes, spy weapon and spy defense probes all come 2x when you pull them, and cloning pods come in bunches of 3. Each of these is a single artifact "pull" which is likely what is reported as "acquired XX artifacts."
Edit: Conveniently, each of these is under 400 arti points to pull singly- so very easy to verify after you have pulled using collect all
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| Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:20 pm |
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Wolfy Minion
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:16 am
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PLURVIOUS wrote:
Spy Probe - Defenses x10 Spy Probe - Weapons x8 Cloning Pods x3 Spy Probe - Resources x1 Flux Probe x4
4. If you add those up, it's actually 262 artifact (that's 13 more listed than reported).
5. I had 894 Artifacts Points after the pull, meaning I spent 389,200 for the pull.
6. If I add up the values of the artifacts as listed, it accounts for 392,500 (a difference of 3300).
so thats 5, 4, 2 0, 2 = 13 extra arts. they are 250 for weapons, defense and flux so 2750 and 400 per pod so 3550. meh 250, probably you got an extra probe, big whoop. all in all nothing wrong. _________________ 
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| Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:40 pm |
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PLURVIOUS
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:10 am
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OK, here is another pull... Before:Artifact Points = 127297 Cargo Used = 71109 Spy Probe - Defenses (Uses Left: 4122) Spy Probe - Weapons (Uses Left: 4241) Cloning Pods (Uses Left: 1077) "You acquire 75 Artifact(s)":Code: Sentry Guards x2<br>Quantum Firewall Trap x2<br>Grav-Whip Trap x1<br>Ancient Crystal Foci x1<br>Durtanium Brackets x2<br>Shield Sentries x1<br>Planet Vortex Deflector x3<br>Ion Storm Charge x2<br>Unstable Wormhole Emitter x2<br>Flux Probe x4<br>Spy Probe - Weapons x6<br>Grid Console x3<br>Halcyon Trap x2<br>Tesseract Container x1<br>Warp Gate Chassis x2<br>Space Elevator Chassis x1<br>Tachyon Cylinder x2<br>Refining Lab Chassis x2<br>Containment Missile x2<br>Mass Storage Pod x2<br>Alarm Sentry x3<br>Repair Nanodrones x1<br>EMP Sphere x2<br>Krionus Virus Trap x1<br>Ion Repulsor Charge x1<br>Containment Cage x1<br>Alien Data Disc x4<br>Shield Amplifier x1<br>Crimson Obelisk x1<br>Drannik Saboteur x2<br>Void Shell x3<br>Engineered Virus x3<br>Spy Uplink Chassis x1<br>Disarming Bomb x2<br>Dark Pyramid x1<br>Nanite Swarm Capsules x2<br>Star Chart Purger x1<br>Ship-Bot x1<br>Processing Core Chassis x1<br>Rescued Prisoners x1<br>Relay Tower Chassis x1<br>Android Scientist x2<br>Time Manipulator x1<br> Artifact Points = 997 Cargo Used = 71189 Spy Probe - Defenses (Uses Left: 4122) Spy Probe - Weapons (Uses Left: 4247) Cloning Pods (Uses Left: 1077) Results:* Says "You acquire 75 Artifact(s)", but 80 are listed; need to account for 5. * Cargo balance dropped by 80, consistent with the list, but not the statement "You acquire 75 Artifact(s)". * 127500 Artifact Points are accounted for by the list, but 126300 are subtracted from balance; need to account for 1200. * Spy Probe - Defenses and Cloning Pods are not part of pull (not listed and balance did not increase). * List reports 6 Spy Probe - Weapons, consistent with change in balance. Which of the 5 artifacts in the list are not counted in "You acquire 75 Artifact(s)"? I assume those 5 artifacts also account for the 1200 Artifact Point difference? If we accept the hypothesis that a single pull of Spy Probe - Weapons deposits 3 artifacts but only count as "1" in the summary statement, then 79 of 80 artifacts and 1000 of the 1200 extra artifact points are accounted for. Where is the other 1 and 200 points coming from? _________________PLURVION: Immortal GP Jedi and Loyal Distinguished Minion to Ms. T.
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| Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:15 am |
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PLURVIOUS
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:10 am
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Wait, I did that wrong. Flux probes also, and 2 copies, not 3. That adds up perfectly.
_________________PLURVION: Immortal GP Jedi and Loyal Distinguished Minion to Ms. T.
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| Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:17 am |
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Chloron
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:47 pm
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PLURVIOUS wrote: Wait, I did that wrong. Flux probes also, and 2 copies, not 3. That adds up perfectly. So what I'm hearing you say is ... .... Nevermind, Dan. You were right. _________________XxDarthDexterxX wrote: You deserve a cookie, and earn yourself one cookie point. 
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| Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:30 am |
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PLURVIOUS
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:10 am
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Chloron wrote: PLURVIOUS wrote: Wait, I did that wrong. Flux probes also, and 2 copies, not 3. That adds up perfectly. So what I'm hearing you say is ... .... Nevermind, Dan. You were right. In a round-about way, yea. _________________PLURVION: Immortal GP Jedi and Loyal Distinguished Minion to Ms. T.
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