You're not complaining about the past war I hope, are you ?

Well, now I know how Zabanna operates (and some others in PA)
They bait you.............. Lower defenses on a good planet.
You take it................. thinking no one would leave a planet that defenseless.
They declare war......... knowing that they can beat up most legions.
The target Legion quickly gets tired of the fight and tries to truce.
Project Anarchy Demands compensation............. Ok, my contact in PA says that they will stop the war for 1 planet flux and 1500 kurenite.
Extortion.................... Not affordable.

So we have bait, entrapment, war, extortion. Sounds like bullies to me.

Than the planet shouldn't have been taken we will take compensation in other forms hacking raiding other planets. Stop playing victim your not, you have brought this upon yourself and your legion!!!!!!!

So true. You gotta love how legions try to bully others like this. Not just PA but also Republic, Nova, Crusaders, and Paladins.

Look at how Kaos is going postal over one planet against Beserker and threatening war on any legion that has Beserker in it, rather than just targeting Beserker and him alone. If Kaos is so crazy about one planet, he should do a scan blitz for a new one.

I have respect for quite a few players in the aforementioned legions, but there's some bad apples out there who will hide or abuse legions to get them to go to war over the tiniest offenses. You know what would be nice? An option for "personal war" in the game in which the offending player pops up more often in the battle tab and can only be declared once every week against one player and only one "war" at a time (to avoid abuse), so Kaos can declare personal war aganist Beserker for example, and leave the legions out of it.

Ok, rant over.

Well, he can't just target Berserker. And sometimes it's hard not to, I'm considering the same on somebody who recently made me very annoyed at him.

Whenever I attack someone on my battle tab, I never legion alert if the guy counterattacks. Likewise if someone attacks me out of the blue from their battle tab. Its part of the game, and I retain my honor and integrity by doing it 1 vs 1 even if its low level, mid level, or high level. Thats just how I roll.

Only times I'll legion alert is if I get gang raped by 2 or more players. Then its fair game with 2 vs 2 or more combat. Also, I legion alert to help me guard a newly conquered planet if I don't have a flux available since the victim's legion will try to mass rape me if I was the lone defender. If its from an inactive player or a player with no legion, I don't legion alert the planet.

You make no sense whatsoever. Why would we go through steps 1. and 2. as the bullies that we are ? Hell, why would we go through step 3 ? Declare war ? What's that ? We can just pick a legion and make them suffer until they get fed up with it ask for truce and we can demand compensation in return. That could work.

It was no baiting it was pure greed. And poor judgement not to say more.

That's unrelated to what I was talking about.

OK, so we know this is a outright lie. EVERYONE has kurenite. You, or someone in your legion can do the Aeon moon mission chain and get a Flux.

You are NOT the victim here, Zabanna was. Your legion member took the planet, therefore your legion is the aggressor. You DID start this war. Qwerta is an officer of your legion and represents you, like any corporate officer of a company.

If you and your legion don't like the consequences, Qwerta shouldn't have done the action in the first place. Simple. Maybe your players will think next time.

Your whole legion is subject to the same treatment as Qwerta until your legion collectively coughs up what PA considers as suitable compensation for the planet, or the planet. Anything less is not suitable as far as we are concerned.

Compensation for a planet. Toughen up and move on. What crap is that.

well a cry of poverty may not be the same thing as complete denial of a mineral. I have to say though Zophah you should be a little more clear if you meant it could not be afforded. Cowboy that was also a good point re the aeon moon (thanks btw I didnt know that gave a flux!).

For the sake of curiousity more than anything else, i'd like to hear more about the planet taken. No name required so no one worries about someone searching for it lol, but what makes it worth 1500 kurenite and a flux or is that just your weregild price no matter the quality of a planet taken?

I also have to agree that was a good point re officers being held to a higher standard than a regular legion member. That said, even the inestimable juggernaut known as Kaos has let legions go once they booted out the offender that Kaos was after.

Zophah, in return if that works for cowboy, you have to determine if you are willing to let your legion get the rep of cutting loose a member who has not been branded a troublemaker as far as i know. I don't envy you the choice re that.

@GIjoe can i has dat little smiley?

well a member of Darkwind took of of my best terras and fluxed it i was a little pissed and i disabled him but their wasnt a need for a war because the planet is easliy replacable. Remeber Talon Company is a mercenary legion

Allow me to elaborate: I do not even have the credit's worth of that much kurentite. And why in hell would I spend countless hours and energy on a mission to pay off someone else for a crime that I personally did not commit?

That is like saying that all Americans/Mexicans/Canadians/British/Chinese are idiots, even though you only met 1 person of the aforementioned country. Likewise Qwerta may be the aggressor, but in no way would anyone agree with "We beat him up for stealing, let's go beat up all his friends and family too! Because his actions represent all of them!" I in no way would have been stupid enough to take a planet from legions as powerful as you. (In fact, I have no less than 12 unprotected 2x Mega Rich or better planets on my scans, all owned by members of legions in the top 15) Thus, no actions of a single member can justify an entire legion's dismay. Although if you can prove that Qwerta isn't the only Phoenix Order member taking planets, I will take back my statement.

I have no way of paying you off, forcing Qwerta to pay you off, or even kicking them. I literally have no means to stop this other than asking you or leaving the Phoenix Order. I am trying to avoid the second.

In my legion i belive officers can kick players, but i'm not sure if they can other officers honestly which is your position here Zophah if I understand correctly.

Two things - First, will PA respect said kicking as grounds to cease aggression against the Phoenix Order? If not, the point is moot really.

Second, assuming PA will consider this adequate for termination of war against the Order if not against Qwerta, Zophah, your leaders need to be involved based on what you stated and candidly, unless they designate you the diplomat as it were for negotiations, in any resolution reached else you will not be able to confirm your side agrees without potentially wasting PA's time in negotiation. You need authority or they should be here talking to Cowboy, as I believe he has authority(correct?). Sort of surprised they arent, if PA ranks higher as a rule, they should be getting hit more than you.

(this post was edited as I was incorrect re one thing which has been redacted. Thanks Robert for the heads up.)

The little quantity box lets you send as much as you want with one shipment!

Not playing the victim. I am talking about high level players in powerful legions who don’t protect their planets.

A Very Large 4x mining planet with minimum population, defense, attack and cloak will get scanned. A planet this sweet will be hard to pass up by anybody. It does not matter who owns it or what Legion he is in. Someone will take that planet.

Zabanna has done this before. See complaint about him under Legion tab. Do a search for him there. It is bait and trap and a dirty way to play.

If you think that leaving a planet that poorly protected is NORMAL then do it to all of your planets. You will lose them and I, and a lot of other players, will be happy to take them.

Yes, I took that planet and will do it again, so in that manner I started it. But when a planet is that poorly protected the one who actually asked for this to happen was Zabanna. So you can go to h... with your righteous indignation and claims of being in the right.

well instead of war why not just have PA attack and hack the #&$# outta the said member to advert war i mean PA has done this before with the Galaxy desperados why not do the same here? i mean i know that one was for breaking a nap but still is a better tactic there isnt a reason that the whole legion should pay for one members actions i mean tbh no one has real control over anyone in this game PAs train of thought is like mafia mentalily "oh Johnny ciabatta smack johnny priemo so we gotta beat up the rest of his family to prove a piont.

thats 6 disables, 10 raids and 10 hacks before that person falls off the newsfeed. One person can do that, it doesn't take a group. The point is to get something back and there is no way in hell that can happen by zeroing out one person given that PVP is essentially only good for antagonism. You guys are a legion and you get treated like a legion. It's not rocket science.

i know but i think that it should be put into perspective that you cant always control someone and when that happens i dont think that the legion should be punished i mean its just my two cents.

@ Maudib your named after a little kangaroo mouse that has a religon revolving around it?