So yesterday I had some trouble with Justice Legion and exchanged words with them. As of now they tell me that they and Dark Side have put a "KOS" to all their memebers to attack anyone and everyone in my legion... repeatedly, and have been asked to issue them an apology. So before I do this, I wanted to share the situation and see if anyone has an opinion they'd like to share.

I started playing Galaxy Legion roughly a month ago, and for a week was without a legion, without direction or guidance, really just floating around not knowing what to do or where I was going. Then I joined with Lycan Nation, under their leader LycanWolf, and he took me under his wing, showed me the ropes and put me on a path to rank up quickly and get some really great planets for production. When I decided that I enjoyed the game enough to be willing to put money into it, I asked for his suggestions on what's good to buy with GP in the artifact market. He asked me if I would be willing to reallocate base production for him, as when he started, he was in the same situation, not knowing exactly what he was doing, he spread them out evenly across all 3 resources. So I thought to myself, helping me and my ship is a +1, but helping the legion and everyone in it, well that sound to me like +10. At this point, base research production increased form a total of 89k a day to over 200k per day to be divided among eligible members. Shortly after, I also decided to purchase 2 tactical and 2 structural extenders and a base com interlink, with plans on buying the max number of each extenders, 1 more interlink and 3 command beacons. Also being an active, daily player, I was always chatting in the comms and posting messages to those i found with no or weaker legions an offer to come and join us, and had several new members join due to my recruitment. Seeing this, Lycan then promoted me to officer, and he left to goto Justice Legion for a few days, as he already had relations with them. During his stay, he temporarily promoted another member, Kaylac, to the position of leader, and shortly after, ran into problems with his account and was no longer able to access GL. Around the same time, I managed to convince my girlfriend to start playing the game as well. When she joined the legion, Kaylac then began getting really friendly and chatty with me, adding me as a facebook friend, flirting and trying to get me on webcam with her. I thought this was a little odd, and tried to stear clear of it. One day an argument broke out with my girlfriend and I, and she left the legion, but then returned, only to leave again, return... did this a few times. Kaylac, assuming the argument between me and my grilfriend was about her, started to feel bad, saying she would unfriend me if that was the case, and would even go as far as to quit the legion. I advised her this wasn't the case, it had nothing to do with her, and that she should not quit the legion, LycanWolf trusted her to be in charge of his legion while he was away, and now that he won't be returning, it would be a great loss to the entire legion to see her go, so instead I would leave, being in the best interest for everyone involved, and I did. Shortly thereafter she said I shouldn't leave, that she would promote me to leader and she would leave. So I sent a new request to join. At this point, she accused me of using this situation as a plot to gain leadership of the legion, having bought my way with LycanWolf into being an officer, and that I truly didn't care for the legion whatsoever. She promoted another person to leader, then left Lycan Nation. By then, I had started my own legion, and I asked my girlfriend to leave Lycan Nation to join with my new legion, The Royals. A good friend of mine, also who i convinced to start playing the game, asked me why I left, and after explaining all this to him, he asked if he could come join and I didn't refuse him. 2 others then messaged me as well, asking the same thing, and on their own actions, left Lycan Nation to follow to my legion. I immediately sent alll 3 pact requests to Lycan Nation, as I was hoping to remain on good terms with all their members. It was then that I noticed their new leader, MiracleOne, who I had noticed was a leader of Justice Legion. Slowly over the next few days, I watched as the former members of Lycan Nation withdrew from the ranks, only to fill up the spots in Justice Legion and The Dark Side. One former member of Lycan Nation, who I had recruited to that legion, did not though, and went to an unrelated legion, and I found him in my battle tab, so I posted on his com that i never left the game entirely, and if he doesn't feel at home with his new legion, we'll always have a spot for him here in The Royals, and he took me up on the offer and joined.

It has since come to my attention though, that Kaylac has been advising people, and also advised LycanWolf, that I was attempting to sabotage his legion, dismantle it from the inside and steal all his members. He messaged me in regards to this, saying he was disappointed to hear, if it was true, that i was trying to steal his members, but I explained the entire situation to him that I was not attempting to steal anyone, and only left in order to try and keep his legion together and stay strong. So that's the story leading up to my troubles with these 2 legions...

Last night, without my knowledge or consent, a member of my legion, using an alt account, went to Justice Legion, exchanged words with Kaylac and informed several of the former members of Lycan Nation that they are welcome over here at The Royals. Now as I've told MiracleOne, I do not condone this and it was not done under my orders, the person has since been reprimanded and dealt with on my end.

But I, personally, don't feel I have done any wrong in this situation, nor have I attempted to hinder anyone else's legion or take away anything from them. So as far as an appology goes, this is as close to one as Justice Legion and The Dark Side is going to get, untill I see something coming back my way a bit as well.

Thank you all, and sorry for the long rant! Take Care

Maybe I missed something, but what exactly in that would have upset The Dark Side?

Im in the same boat as you.. I honestly feel that MiracleOne has an alt account he was using in The Dark Side, because my arguments with them seemed to carry over to each only seconds apart... I would say something to someone in Dark Side and seconds later, MiracleOne from Justice responds to it... I do know they are in relation to each legion, and work together, so I had only assumed they were siter legions to each other. But as far as the situation goes, I dont see it having anything to do with them at all. To me, it feels like this is one of those "we're a bigger, badder legion than you... respect us and obey us, because we're right and you're wrong" kind of situation. I know my legion's small, 15 members, only a level 3 base, but we've only been online for 10 days... I know myself, being on the other end, I'd cut the little guys a bit of slack.

Ah alright there's the connection. I wasn't aware of Justice Legion's ties with TDS and their recent (?) name change.

First off, I would advise that whether right or wrong you avoid any mention of alts and other accounts. You wanna avoid that subject matter as much as possible or you may find yourself in over your head or facing punishment from the devs. Just a friendly warning on the matter.

As for the rest of that, your side of the story (assuming it's true since I have no reason not to believe you) makes it sound as though the entire thing is just a misunderstanding. That being the case, I would recommend that you suck it up and apologize so your legion can go about it's business. If I've learned anything as an officer/leader over the years it's that there is a time and a place for standing your ground. This seems to be an ultimately miniscule disagreement that may discourage members from joining your new found legion. It would probably work out much better for you to take the hit personally for the sake of the legion as a whole.

That's not to say that you should admit you are wrong mind you. It is possible to give a full and sincere apology while still acknowledging that you stand by your side of the story. It just means that you acknowledge that every story has two sides, and if every attempt is made to reach an understand but both sides remain adamant, it is sometimes appropriate to apologize for the way they see the event rather than how you believe the event actually happened.

I certianly couldn't agree with you more. As I said to MiracleOne, I was not aware of what another member of my legion was doing, going over there exchanging words and enticing others to join my legion. I've appologized to him for this and ensured there will be repercussion on the player that did this. His "alt" account has been kicked from the legion, seems to have gone inactive as well so that seems to be a non issue. As far as alt accounts go, I certainly know the rules and ToS on that front, myself I dont use any other than just this one, just merely pointing out that it seemed the member of the other legion was using 2 accounts, as I was not messaging him, but he was replying to those said messages.. And I only assumed, if he's in one legion, how can he know in less than 30 seconds what i said to a different legion, and respond to me on it... Although there's many reasons to explain that as well, I wont go as far to accuse anyone of doing such things. But again thanks, greatly appreciated and just helps to know someone can see where i'm comiing from.

Not going to give a long winded explanation here, gonna try and keep it very short, i was going to take a different course of actions but Follyu's words are wise and made me think too.

1. The Dark Justice (formerly Justice Legion) and The Dark Side are related legions

2. We have FB pages, each of our legions has one and the members post important information to them, i am a member of each of the FB pages and see everything that happens with our legions, i was reporting everything as it happened to my people, and they were reporting to me, MiracleOne is not an alt, if you need other peoples opinions ask around

3. No member of Lycan Nation came to The Dark Side, only to The Dark Justice and The Abyss

4. Stop attacking Kaylacs planets

5. If you cant sort it out with MiracleOne, then there is a major issue, he is very easy going and easy to deal with, i doubt that this issue can not be solved easily

6. Dont bother saying the word Alt again, you accuse any member of The Dark Side family of legions of being an alt without evidence, i will post my evidence of an alt i was talking to last night

Any other issues you have with TDS family, feel free to message me or post it to the forum, and i'll be glad to point you in the right direction

If i've missed anything anybody would like to know give me a poke and i'll fill in details as well as i can

Well as I said to many others, I was not accusing anyone of using alts or anything of the sort, just explaining what I was seeing on my end and how I was percieving it. As I also said, I have said to MiracleOne that I do apologize for whatever any member of my legion had done, and was going to be taking action on it to reprimand said member. As far as Kaylac goes, i never attacked anything of hers, I only disabled her after she attempted to do the same to me, which i figured is fair game, just as any other person would be if they'd attacked me. As far as where members went after they left Lycan Nation, i personally don't care, that is their choice and decision to make on their own, and in no way did i try to influence their decisions. But what I am bothered by, is having people tell the former leader of Lycan Nation that i was trying to sabotage his legion, steal member and dismantle it from the inside, when I was not doing anything of the sort, I had invested money into that legion in order to better help the base and all of it's members, before spending money and helping just myself. If i had the energy I would more than be happy to continue this conversation with MiracleOne ingame and explain again that any members that went from my legion to his to start trouble was not doing so under my orders, and that I am willing to apologize for that, but surely you can all understand that a rank 71, can't keep up with ranks 200+ in diplomatic chats.

If that is the case, and you are happy to discuss it with MiracleOne, then why are you still typing here??

Take it to officer coms, get a resolution then tell everybody here whether we screwed you over or in the end were fair handed

Easy really

HFS! Honestly I don't think many people will make it through that novel. It seems to me that you may still be a little fresh when it comes to acceptable behavior in this game. Your legion is still pretty low on the pole so i will give the following advice...

1.) Feel free to harass all the high ranking players you want. ( but be prepared for a response)
2.)Do not accuse any established player of having an alt unless you want to be forever flamed. (most who have put in the time have already been subject to a great deal of peer scrutiny)
3.)DO NOT go to war over a member complaining. Give him/her some ointment

Ok well it seems i need to repeat myself again then... I AM NOT accusing anyone of using any alts, or admitting to doing so myself. I was accused, and i simply mentioned what i had seen, not knowing the full situation, appearances can be decieving and it may have looked like it at the time, hence i mentioned it to get clarification. Never once did i accuse anyone of using any alternate accounts. As far as harrassing any higher ranked players, no i have never done this. I myself have been on the recieving end of attacks from players double my rank or more, me being only a rank 70, hacked by a 155, raided by 751, disabled and raided by a 1789... and for what? Because i took one red badge and posted on their com "1 red, ty" and got alerted to a legion for it. I dont see how that is acceptable behaviour, and me trying to explain myself and clear any misunderstandings that were made between myself and other legions, can be considered unacceptable behaviour.

And in response to Ben78, as i have said before, being a rank 71 with a low energy output, i cant keep up with the rank 200+ people and post messages on officer com's at 5 energy a shot... 10 messages and i'm done in energy, which is why i started this thread, to just get the ball rolling to get things settled, but it seems to be causing more tension than anything. All I want to do is let MiracleOne know i was not aware of what thepronk did, i did not consent to it nor did i request him to do it, and he has since been reprimanded. But I would also like him to know that i was a loyal member of Lycan Nation, and left on good terms in order to keep that legion alive, to allow Kaylac to remain the leader of that legion so it wouldn't fall apart like it has in the past week. After i spent money to reallocate production points, add extends and special mods purchased through the marketplace, I feel it's unfair for her to say I didn't care whatsoever for that legion and that I was trying to sabotage it.

There are always 2 sides to every story, i cant verify what either you or Kaylac have said is true.

So i have to make a decision that suits the purpose here, and that decision is simple, and is exactly what i have told you already, apologise for calling into question the actions of MiracleOne

He is a friend of Lycan and went to Lycan Nation to help the members since their founder and leader can not play the game anymore (not sure if it's a technical problem or something else)

He offered them positions in his legion, with a major step up in a base, and they took it. Those that did not want to did not have to.

You insulted his integrity by saying that he was there to "pick apart the legion and steal members"

Once you apologise for that, then we can move on.

If MiracleOne has an issue with you about any of the other matters being created by the original problem then that will need to be solved with him, and will not be solved by you writing blocks of text on the forum, if you are running low on energy perhaps send him a com asking for an FB address, a lot of diplomacy is sorted out that way.

If you feel it is unfair that Kaylac has a different version of events than you, then i'd suggest a good Rectogesic Ointment

Well thank you... i'll admit i never thought of asking for an FB address to speak with him though there, whereas i should have thought of that. And I didn't intentionally mean to say he was picking apart that legion or trying to steal members or insult his integrity in any such way, only that I was being accused of doing this when I wasn't, and while seeing members leave Lycan Nation to goto other legions, thought it was quite insulting to me. I know he is a friend of Lycan, and as i said in my original post, I know Lycan had relations with them, and that's why he originally traveled to them for some time. I'll apologize now to anyone that may have misinterpreted what I was trying to say to think that I was trying to insult him, put him down or question his motives or actions. That was not my intent, and I'm sorry if at any point I made it seem that way, only trying to show that I was not trying to steal members, as they were already going other places. But for now, this is all I have to say, and I will update this again once I've spoken to MiracleOne personally and we can put this to rest. Again, I thank each one of your for your input and thoughts, as well as suggestions to getting this resolved in a way that all parties can be content with.

Remember this is a war game... diplomacy is overrated. Disable them all if they cant work with you.

Lol, and war game is certainly is... I avoid NAP's because i understand people like to grab red badges, i'm not much of a pvp'er myself... i've already made a few personal arrangements with players... i dont krionus trap, that red badge me, and they dont qtrap and i blue badge them, this goes back and forth each day for atleast a week now.

lol, it all comes down to if you actually care about your stats. Some players take extreme pride in their record. Some are hopeless... The smart ones pass them by without a thought while the hard!@#$% are still busy arguing.

Definitely agree with you on that... personally im not much for my stats, especially pvp... primarily i've been focusing on ranking up, grabbing more and more planets, and dropping npc's for good artifacts. Certain could understand the pride in having the "epic Legend" or "Grand Master" titles... can't lie and say those wouldn't put a smile on my face to see next to me ship