I'm still trying to figure out how we got from 'this is a known glitch in the game' to 'Triumvirate broke the game.'
Ignoring badges for a moment, often when we attack a base, we're trying to kill it before they can raise buffs/start repairing. When the base gets heavily damaged, we try and hit it hard and fast to kill it quick before repairs. Even if bases gave *zero* badges, this would be the wisest strategy to save energy and time. So you're telling us we should *sit and wait??*

Yes, we are aware that pouring on damage at the end increases the chance of double badges. But this would also be the smart move just as far as ending the fight goes! So to avoid a known glitch was has been reported several times, we're supposed to get 60-70 people (not all of which we can talk to directly - we're split among 5 different legions) to all try reallllly hard not to click at the same time when they get the kill? Or we're supposed to sit around and dink the base to death, hoping no one wakes up to repair it? And if people are vying for position to get more badges, we're supposed to tell them 'don't rush at the end to try and get into the top 10, we don't want to exploit the known glitch that we've reported like 20 times and that hasn't been fixed after a year?'

How would we possibly do this??? It's all well and good to be outraged over something that doesn't affect you at all, but there's no logistically feasible solution on our end. If you can figure out a way to get 70 people on five different channels to make a strategically bad move and still disable the base without getting doubles, (every single time we fight a base), I'll write you in for president when I vote on Tuesday.

Wow I cant 'believe I missed out on all this.

I have to state a few things that we all have known from the beginning killing npc's because they have the same result as bases.

The max has always been 3 x / triples ... and they are very rare to get.
If there is more than 3 x's then there is something wrong somewhere. Someone in that legion is playing with the programming in my opinion.
You would think an auto clicker could make it go above 3x's but from what I read it couldn't because of the lag it causes or whatever.
Personally I have no idea which one it is but I do know it's one of them.

Our legion has NEVER seen anything above a 3 x's on an npc.
We also have NEVER seen anything above a 3 x's on bases until very recently. Maybe a week to a week an a half.

That raises suspicions in my mind as it should in every ones.

I will say this and I am against exploitation when it comes to hurting a person and or legion but when it comes to npc's I don't mind it.
It's just an exciting thing to see when you get doubles or triples in a game where there isn't much excitement.
I'm not slamming the game because it's the only FB game I play and I do enjoy it but it does lack the WOW factor and that's what the doubles and triples do for us with npc kills.

And Toast you're right there.
A battle group needs to hit a base as fast as it can to knock it out before they see what's happening.
It saves all of us energy that we need to put elsewhere or for the next base.

We had a 4x once before the alert stacking, and only once. After the alert stacking has been implemented it has jumped the frequency of the doubles/triples and has given payouts of 5s and 6s a couple times. But still very rare.

So, you find an error, report it, keep abusing it until it's fixed? Am I right? Is that what you just said there?
You can't see what everyone is saying, but yet you just said it's okay to abuse a glitch or a bug until it's fixed?
I see now why a lot of high members have quit.
They get caught, point the fingers to draw attention, and when the evidence is stacked against them ...
they post up, "it's been a fun game, but I'm out...", or Dan kills their account, only to have them return.

Ban IP addresses on those who use/abuse an error or glitch and we'll see how many stop using them then.

Well apparently I am one of these Mark is suspicious of. I have no clue why. Probably because i responded back to his legion comm claiming our legion cheated in disabling their base. I have and continue to be a honest player. I can't even believe I would have to defend my integrity to someone who has no clue who I am, and I know has absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing on my part.

I think people need to get a grip and stop making slanderous claims about people. Those kinds of claims while it may make you feel better, actually hurts those you falsely accuse.

Bleepin - Tweed Moore

As I said in my above post, what exactly are we supposed to be doing to not 'abuse' this? The glitch happens when the killing blow is struck at exactly the same time. How am I supposed to know when seventy people are clicking? How do we coordinate getting 70 people to suddenly *stop* clicking so that one person can finish off the base? And we somehow do this every eight hours? Why would we sit around and give precious seconds to the enemy base to have time to fire up their defenses and repair, possibly costing us thousands of energy? Would *you* do this?

And as we've already mentioned, it's much easier for several legions full of big guns to get multiple killing blows. There's folks doing 200+ damage per shot.

You can yell at us all you want, but there's honestly very little we can do about it. If anyone can fix it, it's Dan, and we are FINE WITH HIM FIXING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But as Darth pointed out, this is NOT something where he can just flip a lever and it's done (if he could, he would have). There may be very little that he can do without some major work. I'm not a programmer, I don't know. But this sort of thing has been a problem since the Fluffy days - this tells me that if it was a simple (or even moderate) fix, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED.

So chill. Jesus.

By you saying it should have been fixed doesn't give you free reign on abusing/exploiting an error, plain and simple.

Fixed

Speaking as an outsider, I would say that they're not abusing or exploiting it, it is simply happening as a result of normal play. There is nothing anyone can do about that except Dan, and he can probably only fix it by upgrading the servers to reduce lag, which will cost money. The only way to avoid "exploiting" this would be for EVERYONE in the game to stop attacking bases altogether. Is that what you are asking us to do?

These multiple disables above 3 can be done by anyone in any legion in my opinion.
I'm not accusing any legion in particular but I am pointing out something that I have observed.

Leaders in every legion you need to crack down on your members and stop this behavior.
You don't need to know exactly who it is doing it but make sure that they stop.
Eventually they will get caught but your legion will have a stain on it.

It's our job ultimately to stop this when we see it.
It's Dan's job to figure out who it is and ban them.

Exactly

Agreed.. honestly I have agreed with everything Blitz has said in this thread. He is an example of leadership more people should follow imo.

Then there is the fact that the leader of the top legion in the game, who has been around as long as anyone even says.. "If there is more than 3 x's then there is something wrong somewhere. Someone in that legion is playing with the programming in my opinion."

If there is any cheating going on as I said numerous times I would think it only a very few people, but some still claim I am attacking 5 legions, I am not. I am asking for their help, as I am asking for all of GL's and Dan's to keep this game we all love fair, and to not go down the tubes. So.. let's grow up, by vigilant and watch closely.

Stop what behavior? How do we stop people from hitting bases and npcs as fast as possible .. This argument is insane.. this is not a bug you can avoid .. for anyone to call anyone cheating because they get multiple drops from trying to secure a spot on a 3 man or 10 man npc that 30 other people are competing for is nuts.. What is it that any of you think we should be doing to not be accidentally taking advantage of this undocumented feature?

"If there is more than 3 x's then there is something wrong somewhere. Someone in that legion is playing with the programming in my opinion."

You don't see anything wrong with that logic? Seriously? If you can get 3 that is a problem with the game and nothing any player can do anything about.. You SHOULDN"T be able to get 2 3 or 10 but it happens because of the way the game is built.. this is NOT an exploitable bug .. this is NOT cloning a planet, this is NOT hijacking code.. this is NOT creating phantom items and placing them in your inventory.. thats exploitation and thats something you can WILLFULLY avoid doing .. this is multiple people getting a killing blow at the same time and it is not cheating to have 15 or 90 people clicking their mouse at the exact same time..

Clang, you have been there for what 4 weeks? Surely you would know for certainty that every player is playing up and up, sure you would.

How many times do I have to say the same thing twice ?
Whoever is making it possible to make 4 x's and higher on npc's and bases isn't doing it legitimately. The bases that I have heard about where we have been getting 4 x's and higher.
That's not normal at all. I've been here pretty much from the beginning of the game and I've seen it all.
Now when I see quads on npc's and bases I know there is a problem somewhere.

I don't know what you think is normal but ask anyone in this game if they have seen anything higher than triples on npc's and bases and they'll tell you a " definite " no.
These quad silvers / base disables is new .. maybe a week and a half.
Someone or some people are tampering to make that happen in my opinion from my experiences in the past and present.

The only way something like this could happen legitimately is if Dan himself did it on accident and I highly doubt that.

Myth, I have been on easily 75% of all the bases since I have been loyal .. so easily 80-90 bases.. I am usually in the top 10-20 I see who does more damage than me I see how much on average people do per shot in relation to what I do per shot I check every 30 seconds or so .. I can see how quickly the guys with 40-50k base attack pull away from me .. just the was I see how I pull away from the guys with 20-25k .. nobody shoots up the charts in the last 30 seconds of the base it just doesn't happen... its even easier to see on dcns and kelethors where you can see how much people are doing on every click .. again no one is auto clicking you see how much damage everyone else is doing .. despite what you may believe when you are competing for spots on hundreds of npc's a day you get a gist for how it works.. and I am fairly certain you'd be able to spot a cheater.. you're fairly certain you are spotting cheaters and you aren't even looking at anything other then a multiple disable message on your newsfeed.. thats unfair..

So .... just to clarify... when you see a "triple" you get excited and think that's ok.. if someone got a quad there is hacking and illegality somewhere?

So if three people .. simultaneously hit the attack button at the same time and do enough damage to kill the npc/base and you get rewarded three times.. its cool and keeps you interested in the game..

BUT

if four people .. simultaneously hit the attack button at the same time and do enough damage to kill the npc/base and you get rewarded four times.. that fourth person is a criminal and should be either banned by dan or reprimanded sternly by the legions leader for clicking said button at that said exact time

Getting more then one drop is a bug in the game.. that has been reported .. period .. you can't hold players responsible for this glitch though as the game requires you to click that attack button as fast as you can to get the drops .. if you click slower you miss the drop on an npc cause someone else overtakes you .. if you click slower you do less damage to the base you let the base have time to repair you lower chances at a successful raid.. etc..