What are some of the other rumors of your godliness?

To dispell?? I have the utmost respect for Darth and TU. They take the moral highroad. They go after footballs, they got Exotica changed because of exploitation. They would not be part of known exploitation in my mind. So, now that it is known, and yes continuing the same behavior would now be exploitation, I would think they would modify their behavior, and refuse to ally themselves with legions who would not also change their behavior as well.

Dunno if you meant me being Godly? But if so.. I try to be. I try to help and teach, do the right thing by my crew, and even enemies (giving mercy). Be fair, compassionate. Though often I fail miserably. Trying I think is the key.

statistical probability of getting 2 payouts for disabling our base? and that happened twice (our base disables reads 10 when it should say 8)
now they get a quintuplet payout on one disable?...think we would need a cray to work out the probability of that happening naturally.
and it keeps happening to the same legion too?...really?..wish I had your luck guys

so...anybody else found that their base was double disabled by TU and their triumverate?

[07:30] The Lightning Spire has been disabled!
[07:26] The Unknown have established a target lock on The Lightning Spire!
Suddenly, I feel kinda lucky.

@ Myth.. My point is that it happens. There's not really any way to "force" multiple rewards. When we do get multiples (maybe 1 in 8?) are we happy? Sure. When we get singles (most bases we hit) are we disappointed? Sure, a little bit. What is happening is that due to our group's natural desire to hit hard and fast to get quick kills and good badge/raid positions while expending as little energy as possible coupled with servers that just CAN'T effectively handle the load, stuff like this happens.

@ Mark.. Multiple rewards happens relatively often. Not just for us either. 2 and 3 drops are a "common" occurence. A sextuple reward (Heh heh.. I said sex) is unheard of, yes. Even with our group. I missed the Que kill but looking at the comm and group chat, there were a lot of "holy sh!t" reactions. Now for your subtle sideways accusation of pulling some funny stuff... If you take 4 top ten legions with lots of heavy hitters (ANY 4 top10) and put them in a battle group, you're going to get plenty of multi-badge rewards.

Before anyone goes "darth is contradicting himself" read the WHOLE post and note where I use emphasis and air quotes...

EDIT: The Lightning Spire and Citadel of the Ancients were both singles.

Even we've had doubles on a 5 once. We only had 3 or 4 people hitting it, too. These things happen, and 5 doesn't surprise me. 4 minutes to do that much damage? That'll take some hitting. You'll have lots of people hitting it and, hell, it's gunna happen. No dirty practice involved here...

not a subtle sideways accusation Darth, more a question of does it happen a lot when you guys ( ie the 4 other legions you're pacted with and yourselves) disable bases.
we have seen a double disable occur oerselves...not a common thing though.
but 5 for 1? that's astronomical odds surely?
interested in the answer as it's a glitch...and someone is gaining an unfair advantage through it...so it needs fixing. is my train of thought.

he already said it was a rare occurrence. We have had 4 and 5 once before, but usually doubles/triples is all we get.

It is a glitch that is ubiquitous in the game and everyone takes advantage of, thus no unfair advantage to anyone. Happens with NPCs, PvP, bases, and invasions. Bases and player disables are far more common than the other two but they do occur.

First off, count it again folks. It is 6 disables.

Any base group blitzing down a well built base within minutes will commonly have doubles and triples.
Maybe 1 in 4 or 5 bases??????

Quads I have seen twice
Six I have only seen once

Slowing down to avoid doubles will make many of those 5 minute base kills into 30 minute base kills where we have to use soo much more energy.

Fair enough Mark. I'm just a little touchy when it comes integrity questions. I sometimes see them even when they aren't actually there, lol.

Yes it is a glitch. A well known one in fact. And one that is in my opinion a fairly hard glitch to exploit. Thing is though, given my limited programming knowledge, I really don't think there IS a fix for it given the existing server capabilities and basic game mechanics. I would think any possible fix for this would require a complete upgrade of the servers or a complete overhaul of the entire attack mechanics. As TB pointed out, they managed to get a double with only a few people hitting a base. We have a lot more than a few people hitting, and we do bases EVERY 8 hours. Naturally when you get that many people with strong, fast attacks going at once, we are going to end up accomplishing it more often. Again, if you take any 4 or 5 top 10-15 legions and get them together for a button mashing party, you're going to get a higher than "normal" multi rate. And again as I said, 6x was unheard of, even in our group. The most we ever had before was two occasions of 4x.

Well in case then yes I agree with Mark fully... "as it's a glitch...and someone is gaining an unfair advantage through it...so it needs fixing. is my train of thought."

If "usually" for you guys is 2-3.. ie twice to three times the normal badges everyone else gets has become the norm... that is a tremendous unfair advantage no one else enjoys. Which, again.. makes this an exploit that is being taken advantage of to give 1 team an unfair advantage over the rest of the game. All the rest of us get 1 set of badges, and VERY rarely, 2. Whether or not this is being exploited intentionally, or not I am not passing judgement, but these facts that are coming to light means this is something that needs to be addressed by Dan. Exotica happened once... this is ongoing, everyday, and needs to stop.

Sorry dropped a few words...

When we get multiples...it is usually only 2/3 not 4+. We get multiples maybe 1 in 4 bases.

It is not our fault others do not have as much participation with bases. Stop putting it on us, we are playing the game like everyone else, just more so, thus "glitches" resulting from the server unable to keep up appear more often for us.

Law of large numbers. Do anything enough times given a probability greater than 0, it will happen eventually.

Just so everyone understands...the only real way to avoid it (as much as possible since it still happens) is to join a lesser basing group...

I see most people trying to get into stronger groups, not leave the best ones. I don't think much else really has to be said. "Slow-Hitting" a base...just like a Queen, or Kelethor...sounds like a joke to me...no offense

Not putting this "on" anyone. But the reality speaks for itself (and so are you guys). No one else enjoys doubles or triples every 4th base. That is my whole point exactly.

And law of numbers does not apply here. Law of numbers implies "random", this ain't random by all of your admissions. This is a constant, daily 2 to 3 times the reward "earned" every forth time, due to a glitch. As stated above.. giving an unfair advantage. This is not a blame game, but something like it or not that is unfair, and needs to be addressed. by Dan.

Dan.. pls stop the unintential exploitation, and fix this.

yeah.. the solution is to slow down and chance getting to do an extra 50K worth of energy drain on the folks killing the base.. how happy are they going to be with that.. maybe the legion they're hitting should be sent a message when they get low.. um hey, were disabling you guys, but dont want to have any glitches, so were going to take an extra 5 minutes clicking slowly one at a time, couly you please not repair whilst we do that..... yeah, that will go over VERY well..

You don't think several people clicking attack on the same target at the same time is random?
I don't deny Dan should fix it, but as Darth stated it is not an easy fix and as I mention it is not strictly isolated to bases.
That being said I don't think we have an unfair advantage, ALL legions can do the same thing, we just happen to do it more frequently due to how active our legions are compared to others.

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We get what you're saying Myth. At least I do. And I agree that this is something that should be fixed. However, as I already said, the only options I can see that would take care of this are new servers or a complete overhaul of the attack mechanics. New servers would be a bandaid IMO. A very expensive one at that. Within a year or two the ships are going to be even stronger and internet speeds will be even faster which will in all likelyhood recreate the current situation but at a faster speed. Retooling the mechanics for attacking (necessary across all facets of attacking) in order to "slow down" fast clicking would create all kinds of havoc the way I see it. May as well make it a turn-based system and kill the game completely.

I know you're trying to not point fingers, but really... There isn't any UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. It would be if we were (A) the only ones to know about it, (B) the only ones able to do it, and (C) able to replicate it at will. But (A) it's been public knowledge since shortly after base combat came out, (B) even minor legions like Invisible Storm (no offense TB) can do it and have done it, and (C) it's not like we sit there on the last shot and tell everyone to click attack on the count of 3.

I hear a lot of the TU guys saying they are the only ones who hit hard and have a number of people doing so, i beg to differ, every major base lock ive been in since i became loyal again, has been a number of people hitting hard and fast, and ive only personally seen double badges once, and heard of it 2 other times, so when you hear about a group getting multiples fairly regularly, and in this case getting 6(im really shaking my head at this one) it really doesnt seem right, you arent the only ones out there with big ships who hit hard, but you still see this glitch far more often than most of the rest of the galaxy combined, that is the major issue people are having, accusations are petty, these are facts, and they show an issue that whether or not Dan decides to fix, is still giving a group that already has far more than everyone else even more, it looks to some like Dan looking the other way for his favored ones. personally, i have bought gp in the past, and never gotten preferential treatment, so i def cant say that that would be a reason, plus, i find those who rant about it are being petty themselves. Is this an issue, yes, should it be fixed, yes, will it be easy, maybe, maybe not, should we hear some sort of acknowledgement that the powers that be know of this issue and even care about fixing, would be nice.
Crazy number of disables TU, crazy number

Turtle, if you read back through the thread just a bit, you'll notice that I specifically said take ANY 4 top ten legions and put them together for base battles and multiple disables will be a "common" occurrence. Take THB, LoI, GD and Cosa, put them in a group together and they'll be getting silvers out the wazoo too. We currently have the strongest battle group around. And one of the most active and participatory groups. That's why it happens more for us than anyone else. Not because of abuse or some preferential treatment or anything like that. We have a strong, active group that hits hard and fast. Simple as that.