Legions should be able to lock into official wars (agreed by all the leaders) and from that point a score is kept in the legion screen and front page to show the number of kills, defeats, planets taken, planets attacked but not taken. and in the end, one side can surrender, one side can be the clear victor, or both can accept to mutual peace. Perhaps the winning legion could win some kind of artifacts, or temporary bonus to npcs kills, etc.

I think this is the natural evolution of the game since it seems the bigger legions are getting into and having more fun with PvP than ever before.

Just my 2 cents

I think there are about 5 other threads with a bit more detail on the same subject.

Yeah, I thought maybe they could make Legion bases first, and then that would be the focus of the official wars, each Legion can see the other's base during the war, and they had to guard it like a planet.

Seriously it's always the legion bases with the majority of people on here.

THE BASIC IDEA OF DIPLOMACY DOESN'T NEED A SHINY TOY TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

Just an extra subtab on the legion tab for diplomacy and sending messages to other legions. That's all that needs introduced >_<

What does that have to do with a war? Or making something more Legion-oriented? The bases would be a cool way to have a friendly war (one where people just want to compete, and don't really want to destroy each other) and it would give people something to work toward as a group.

In fact, right here: http://galaxylegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3499 I suggested exactly what you're talking about. But that only takes care of talking to other Legions, it does nothing else.

I'd rather have the barebones of diplomacy in a week.. than a fully fleshed legion base in 2 months.

The legion base crap can wait, diplomacy is now .. ?

I said nothing contrary to that.

I suppose but everybody on here is high on this legion starbase idea. It's a gimmick.. that doesn't need implementing before something more important like diplomacy. Why people bother putting both in the same basket is beyond me.

I really don't see any improvement to PVP by injecting more pointless pride into it. I mean, thats all it is already. I'd like to see there be some kind of benefit to it aside from the per attack XP. I'd like there to be a long-term strategic point to it that actually goes beyond antagonism and a strategy that goes beyond just making sure you are doing better than just the one other person you happen to be antagonizing while everyone else surpasses you by simply abstaining while they end up with a much higher rank, better modules, better production and an endless stockpiles of traps.

Fixing PVP would probably have too many incentives for the personality of the average player though. The level limit was a nice limiting factor when you didn't have to worry about the people hundreds of levels higher than you being some of the least mature people in the game.

I think a war should just consist of the leadership choosing groups to show up on the battle tab more often for the group's members... Thats about it. Agreeing on war is a silly concept. it is hard to even start a conflict that goes beyond 5 vs 5 as it is. If you can, the conflict is usually never-ending. I guess a concept of surrender would be handy. Maybe 3 "wars" and 3 anti-wars which could be called 'peace' or 'evasion' or 'surrender' or whatever that would basically counteract an opponents war declaration back to normality. This would actually contribute to a legitimate political landscape.

PS: actually a total number of generic declarations that could be either war or peace would make more sense seeing as how some legions are war-like and others are peaceful. Even with only 2 types of declaration, there would be a lot of variations in their use including a mutually agreed upon war and legions getting in over their head with too many other legions declaring war on them and completely pacifist groups avoiding almost all conflict. Declaring peace on someone that has not declared war on your legion would omit them from your legion's battle tab, functioning as half of a non-agression pact. declaring peace on a hostile force could just return things to normal randomness on the battle tab. There might be a "mobilization" timer on war declarations to prevent all out sneak attacks.

Right now, being able to change the group description is the only thing separating leaders and officers.

PPS: A war mode that takes time restrictions off sharing isn't that bad of an idea either, but that sort of lends itself to neverending conflicts a little more if it weren't combined with some kind of "total declarations" concept that included peace. It would be a million times easier to implement though. Maybe taking off offensive requirements for sharing as well? That is sort of how recon works.

I sort of like the battle tab idea I had (stole?) because members can be dragged into the conflict and they might have something to blame on inept leadership. It might spur them to PVP activity or encourage them to join a more suitable legion for their playing habits. There could be petty internal politics based on decision making and its consequence. Scan and cloak mechanics would still have to be intact under a system that affects the battle tab. Maybe a minimum of 1 or 2 potential, scannable targets from the opposing legion for each member.

I think something like that, even though it would be very difficult to implement, would be almost impossible and pointless to expand upon for almost all of what "politics" and "war" might entail and its not intrinsicly unfair if there is a large enough number of total declarations... Though they might even need timers, ugh

too complex?

if not, a possible expansion could be a group mission called "utopia" or some governmental type of name that gets more potential declarations for your legion. I've always thought the energy builds were a complete waste of space in a legion but group missions with legion-wide effects and an inversely exponential return might help fix that. There would be the issue of knowing who is pitching in though.