Dan et al

Yesterday a player was banned - his crime being saying 'hahahahaha' multiple times on the comm of a member of the Top 1 legion.

I find this very unreasonable, for many reasons:

(1) the other player could simply block him
(2) 'hahaha' isn't very offensive
(3) the other player could simply block him
(4) he was disabled multiple times, an action that the software allows but is annoying, so he repeated the same message multiple times, an action that the software allows but is annoying
(5) the other player could simply block him
(6) he was childish, but no more childish than a player that goes crying to the developer about multiple 'hahaha' comms, so why take sides?

And did I mentioned he could have simply blocked him?

I'd like to believe that there is no such thing as protégées, that there is a reasonable explanation for the ban. We would like to know it, and if it was, indeed, a harsh, biased, decision, that it will be reversed.

Respectfully,
Esminteu, Officer from

It is against the TOS to spam. Yes, he could have blocked him but that doesn't change the fact that the TOS was broken.

A guy from your legion already made a thread on this matter, and it was pretty thoroughly refuted - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19807

If you didn't know that your guys had already complained then my apologies, let me sum up so you get the correct picture.

There were like 10 of these posts all over his comm before he even had a chance to hit block, which afterwards was followed by an insult against a family member, justification of a ban if ever i saw one, because both are against the Tos of this game.

XxExterminatorxX did block your legionmate but by that time your guy had already dug his own ban-grave by bringing up familial matters into a game.

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Personally yes if all your legionmate had done was to post a laugh rant on "my" comms, i would have deleted the comms and been done with it. The very second your legionmate brings family members into it, thats where your gonna get reported because its crosses the line of this just "BEING A GAME".

If your guys wanna cross boundries then they have to deal with those pesky things called consequences. Besides, theres plenty of ways to get back at a person besides comm spamming, how about arti spamming, it costs the same amount of nrg and won't get you banned, plus it results in all out chaos, and everyone loves a bit of Chaos.

Another one? Seriously?

I was preparing to let it slide. Okay? A few Hahahaha's on my comm i can deal with. But OVER 30 times, AND mentioning my family. Hell no.

"Top 1 legion."
Legion has nothing to do with it.

"the other player could simply block him"
I didn't have a chance, I was on forums, To come back and see this. After it had finished. I then told him off, and he then abused my family...

"he was disabled multiple times, an action that the software allows but is annoying"
Wrong again. I hacked him multiple times.

First off if you are dumb enof to send the same message to a player numberus amount of times then that player should be banned for being stupid, rude, and annoying.

If you have no respect for others then oviously something will be done. DUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I do like numberus though. I might start using it in place of numerous.

Let me ask though, if you had not seen this thread, would you have known that spamming or using obscenities on another player's comm would get you banned; no warning, no other punishment, just absolutely banned from the game?

Its a minor fault. I didn't say it was ok for him to do it. But it is still a minor fault that lots of people think should have been dealt with accordingly.
You shouldn't be perma banned for a minor fault. Its not like hacking the internal workings of the applet, multi accounting etc.



If it was not just 'hahaha', sure, it is worse.
Could be dealt with the same way, though: blocking him.

In a recent altercation with an enemy legion I had this player threatening to hack my computer (the real computer). I contacted the developer. He simply answered I should ignore the threat and block the user. Nothing was done to him that I know of.

Personally, I have no issue with MitchellN, but I think permanently banning someone for a minor issue is wrong.

spamming is permaban I don't like it either I think we all remember common wealth. banned for the same reason

Not quite the same reason... CW was using a glitch to enable energy-free comm spamming.

I think a simple case of comm-spamming would have warranted only a warning, but in conjunction with paragraph 3.5 of the ToS (Transmit (a) any content or information that is unlawful, fraudulent, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene or otherwise objectionable) as applied to any "family involvement" is what earned the ban.

I didn't get to know commonwealth, but if it was a similar case, then I think he should not have been banned permanently too.



Ok, but the rule should apply to ALL, then. When someone threatens real hacking of my computer, the developers don't seem to care.
Our legionmate says a bad name and spams, he gets perma-banned?

He broke the Current ToS. No questions asked. Leave it. If Dan sees a problem, He will change it...

I would like to point out that when commonwealth was banned he was a member of our legion. Was both popular and unpopular but was still perma banned from forums and the game.

Pls don't use this issue that the player was banned because he messed with our legion. Were all the same when we spam or violate tos

From what I can see:
Whoever was banned was in the wrong for spamming. And I guess insult too? (spamming is more talked about in both thread thou)
Mitch is in the right for reporting.
Dan was in the right for taking action, thou perma ban might be a bit too much, but it is justified.
You can proceed to pressure Dan for banning the speicifc player who made a threat, using this case as an evidence of standard on the consequence of breaching ToS.
If dan does ban the specific player who made a threat, you no longer have any ground for any complaint.
If dan does not ban the specific player who made a threat, you can proceed to take up a case about unequal treatment against Dan.

Thou by the information hereby presented, the banned player breached two sections of ToS while the player who made a theat only broke one. So Dan could claim that two breaches give a ban while one don't. I'm not a student of law so I'm not entirely sure where that would take the case because that was not clearly stated in ToS.....

If I were Dan... i would just go ahead and ban the player who made the threat and get it over with = =;


On another note, having a mute option is probably better in the future, because direct bans for verbal offence might be too much. But even if that is implemented for FUTURE offenses, it does NOT lead to the removal of ban on the specific player in this case.

Ignorance of the ToS is no excuse at all!!!



3. Code of Conduct.
While using the Game or Materials, you agree not to:

Restrict or inhibit any other player, user or member from using the Game, including, without limitation, by means of "hacking" or defacing any portion of the Game;
Use the Game or Materials for any unlawful purpose;
Use more than one account to play the game;
Express or imply that any statements you make are endorsed by us, without our prior written consent;
Transmit (a) any content or information that is unlawful, fraudulent, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene or otherwise objectionable, or infringes our or any third party's intellectual property or other rights; (b) any material, non-public information about companies without the authorization to do so; (c) any trade secret of any third party; or (d) any advertisements, solicitations, chain letters, pyramid schemes, investment opportunities or other unsolicited commercial communication (except as otherwise expressly permitted by us),
Engage in spamming or flooding;
Transmit any software or other materials that contain any viruses, worms, trojan horses, defects, date bombs, time bombs or other items of a destructive nature;
Modify, adapt, sub-license, translate, sell, reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble any portion of the Game or Materials;
Remove any copyright, trademark or other proprietary rights notices contained in the Game or Materials;
"Frame" or "mirror" any part of the Game without our prior written authorization;
Use any robot, spider, Game search/retrieval application or other manual or automatic device or process to retrieve, index, "data mine" or in any way reproduce or circumvent the navigational structure or presentation of the Game or its contents;
Use or exploit errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain materials or access that would otherwise not be possible or available; or
Harvest or collect information about Game players or members without their express consent.
While using the Game or Materials, you agree to comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations.

I agreed with original OP until I saw 30 was mentioned. That is definitely serious spamming. Although the TOS is rather ambiguous for what it means to "engage in spamming or flooding" - at what point does it become spamming? LOL said 2 times? 4 times?

I can understand how it appears unfair to the OP. In the way I feel, it is an unfair action. The banned player should have atleast 1 time, get a formal warning, then if it continues then a ban for say, 30 days or 60 days, then any more after that, then perm ban. That is a most logical way of a banning process.

I state, that this is the way the banning should be made, because there are a lot of reasons to why alot of players get banned for spamming, and quite a few of the players are simply replying to on going harassment that wish to be able to deal with the problems by themselves and then the aggressor reports the innocent player and they get banned for simply wishing to stand on their own feet when really, they could have had the aggressor banned.

Now, how about when it comes to Facebook Chat that is linked to the game, how does it work then. A legion I am in, I spoke up on something I felt strongly about, how some things were ran, and some of it was incorrect information provided to me by an officer that didn't know the facts, and because I commented on it, I got the rap. That day, I was utterly treated like real crap by 1 single member, that I still do not yet and never will ever speak to that idiot again.

I, do admit, that the Legion Leader had a right to speak to me about the post on group page, but the other player who just outright abused, insulted, belittled me etc just got away with it. The reason was because the talk was actually on Facebook comm's and not on legit galaxy Legion comm. Now that really peed me off, and I still believe that it doesn't matter which comm it is on, if Facebook is allowing comm for a game they allow to be played, then the same abuse rules should 100% be applied as to if the comm was directly on GL Comm. But the loser got away with it, even though I provided a massive amount of chat script that I had saved and to this day he still acts like his a god and I am beneath him.

As I stated, I refuse to speak to him about anything, I completely ignore him and because of him and the trouble he caused myself, it has had implications throughout the legion, so because I stood up for what was the right thing to do, I am now virtually ignored in legion comm. I do talk to 2 members, now and then, when they can be bothered replying, I thought about leaving to a better legion, but I am loyal to my Legion Leader, but I now believe none are loyal to myself, all because I spoke out about the way rewards were given to the most favorite 4 members who are always online when the leader is, and the other members, like myself, even though I have gone from Laughable Novice Combat rep all the way up to Insane Grand master in a little over 1 month, and gone from the smallest base contributor to in the top 10, that work is still not valid or acknowledged as any decent achievement, nor going from Rank 97 to 190+ in less than a month.

I work much harder than the 4 players that always get the weekly pick for the reward, I climb ranks higher, do battle faster, achieve alot more, work much harder and contribute massively more, but because they actually buy base modules with their real cash all the time, that's why they get the rewards, this is what I spoke up about, is it only who has more cash to spend on the legion, or the more work they do for the legion. the response I got was obvious, it was the more cash, as when I spoke up, after being told I was able to speak up about anything, that my thoughts were appreciated, well the day I copped the hate response from a 15 year old and the leader just sitting there, saying nothing, and the other 3 officers who were meant to be friends, saying nothing, I learnt I harsh reality. that was that no opinion was valued unless it is something that is agreeable by what they believe, if you have a different view then they do, then shut up.

My point is, that with the above being said, and the legion might realize this post and I may get abused over it again, is that when I reported all of this aggro and abuse thrown at me for over an hour, when I should have just told the legion and the kid where to go and leave the legion, that Facebook refused to do anything about it and the same with galaxy legion. I forget the emails I reported it to and the exact support location, but basically Facebook said it was a GL matter and GL said it was a FB matter, neither did anything and I got no respect of decency from the so called TOS rules. Both parties passed the buck onto the other and i got no where.

If the legion does respond to me again, regarding this post, then I will be doing it in open legion comm, so no one can say it isn't their problem, or that they cannot do anything about it. I still have the transcript of the entire conversation, or i should say, continuous abuse of my rights, racism, sexism and homosexual abuse, being called male sexual names, when I am a women, lol, but this time around, if it happens, i will leave the legion, report it and demand that someone take action.

The OP of this thread is correct in his way of how he saw things play, in his view, he may be entirely correct, yet in the other players views he isn't, yet it is obvious that both players took part in the spamming, so if anyone was getting banned, they both should have been, or neither, if you allow it to continue as I did, then you cannot blame anyone but yourself, even though you do want some kind of justice.

I am really sorry for the enormous post, lol, but thanks for hearing what I thought and letting me get off my chest all that crap I had to deal with. Have Fun Everyone, and Take Care

Thanks

Alison Black
(alison22000)

PS: I would sincerely appreciate any suggestions anyone may have regarding my post, and anything that could help me put this issue I have had, to rest. Some way to get it dealt with, or any suggestions as to what anyone thinks I should do. I would also like to know if I appear to have over judged what happened in my circumstances, or if I am correct in wanting someone to take responsibility for allowing this kid to be allowed to get away with what he did to me, how sad and unhappy he made me in a game that is meant to be something to enjoy. All comments are appreciated, and of course I will accept Private messages if anyone wishes. Thanks once again, and enjoy your game

1. I dunno what exactly happened, but if the said player did use abusive language over facebook comm, u r free to report it to the facebook supports, whom might ban the said person from facebook altogether. GL is not and cannot be held accountable for things of that sort(in fact, u might as well used an external program like Xfire or MSN, how can u expect GL to do anything about game-related abuses on those?)
2. Unfortunately, without any specific detail on what happened, I'm afraid that your post sounds very subjective. That is to say, I can't be sure if in fact the officer made a mistake while you are right. Unless more detail is provided, I belive there is still the possiblity of you being sadly mistaken and therefore the consequence that follows is well deserved(unless the said player used abusive language which is unacceptable by all means, see #1). So please provide detail on the issue.
3. rank and combat rep doesn't really mean much in this game. So I really won't use those as proof of growth. A better proof of strength would be the portion of dmg u contribute to base battle on average, which is a rather pure show of strength IMO.
4. In term of base contribution, I would have to ask: what is the donation amount of CTP, EM, and energy you have made? If a majority of your contribution is CTP and energy, then indeed you are doing your legion a great service. But if you just dumped in EM.. I'm sorry but that's not really saying much.

In any case, ur post lacks too much detail and is worded very subjectively so I cannot make a proper objective judgement on that. More info plz

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