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I just find it weird that I am the only person who might think that way. Am I just crazy for thinking NPC hunting is pointless and boring if you are already among the top tier of the game? I mean, at some point the developer might get tired of designing new NPCs, then you will be killing the same thing over and over.

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I just find it weird that I am the only person who might think that way. Am I just crazy for thinking NPC hunting is pointless and boring if you are already among the top tier of the game? I mean, at some point the developer might get tired of designing new NPCs, then you will be killing the same thing over and over.


By the same logic, anything in the game becomes boring and pointless if you're already at the top of whatever that thing is. I mean, at some point the developer might get tired of the game altogether.

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well my logic was that most people use fighting NPCs to get ahead, not to stay ahead or to get even further ahead by neglecting aspects of the game that I would think would offer more fun and more challenge. It offers the best XP and loot. I guess the missions have already been pretty much exhausted for you guys. If you guys really want to be that far ahead of everyone else and band together to make it even more effective, you will probably realize that you are digging your own grave in terms of fun. You will become untouchable and have nobody left to challenge you and you will have nothing to do but fight NPCs and mill through the battle tab with no risk involved. Maybe this is all the point of using a CC: Having no skill and making everything into repetitive clicking with no strategy or skill involved. That doesn't sound fun to me. The very point of games throughout history is to exercise your brain or your body. If winning, however you might define it, gives you that much of a warm fuzzy feeling inside, then I am glad you aren't on drugs.

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Yeah, I haven't interviewed you before but I rejected you immediately because you were member of DOO who got kicked out... I sometimes give players 2nd chance but your comments here made me not to give you 2nd chance. Sorry.. It only confirms my reasoning for not accepting you in. You can always join other legions. Dysonians simply isn't for you..


Got kicked out of the DOO because I was presumed guilty without a chance to defend myself on the word of Doo Officer, Jody Morrison. His goal was to con new members to take enemy Traps so he could move in for the Kill or the Hack, to maintain & enhance his position on the Leaderboard. I note that you and he are #2 & #3 respectively in Hacking. My guess is that you and he are two of a kind and don't want me because I won't turn around & bend over so either of you can #*&$ me. I realize Jody, now calling himself " XxKraKKenxX ", is a Dysonian. I did not realize he was in your group when I applied, but now that I know, your Nazi justice does not interest me in the least. As the word gets out, the stench of the Dysonian Leadership may stink from the North to the South Poles. At least I do confirm that you are correct in saying Dysonians are NOT the correct choice for me, because I would rather loose than win by conning a team-mate.

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well my logic was that ...


The logic is clear and unambiguous, don't try to murky it.

people use fighting NPCs to get ahead?
Why not? The rewards from fighting NPCs affects almost every other aspects of the game. Getting ahead isn't even the main objective or even an objective for some NPC hunters.

NPC hunters neglect other aspects of the game that you think is more fun?
What do you know about what others think of fun? How certain are you that we neglect other aspects of the game?

NPC hunters neglect other aspects of the game that you think is more challenging?
No. PvP is not the only challenging part of the game and it doesn't mean that someone who doesn't like engaging in PvP wouldn't be skillful when it comes to it.

NPC hunters will become untouchable?
Why would you say that when you think they have no skills/strategy? You are contradicting yourself. NPC hunting may just be a part of a bigger strategy.

It's okay to call others boring because you think what they do is boring but to call them dumb as well is just arrogance.

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Although personally I believe that Spoony is less clever then he gives himself credit for, I will go along with this little game he has started. For me i like the npc's, I like my ship, I like improving it. I like the whole back story that has been created within the game, where the pieces and technology come from even the graphical ship designs. If I attack someone I know exactly what will happen, they will either ignore me and go about their business, or they will post some ridiculous comments on my comm and then proceed to retaliate. How is that not boring, it's completely predictable and forces me to interact with people I probably would never choose to interact with ( hmm like maybe right now...)

Sure if they stop making Npc's that aspect of the game would quickly get boring, as any repetitive action would. I would probably dislike you more Spoony for these silly games you play, but I find it hard to hate you when your profile pic is of Gaius lol.

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Dont think they fight NPC's to get a head or stay ahead to anyone. They probly do it to improve their ships and planets and not to stay a head of you spoony. Why would they care about you at all? And skill? There is zero skill involved in these kind of games so with or without CC its the same zero skill..


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Dont think they fight NPC's to get a head or stay ahead to anyone. They probly do it to improve their ships and planets and not to stay a head of you spoony. Why would they care about you at all? And skill? There is zero skill involved in these kind of games so with or without CC its the same zero skill..


Heh, if you want to prove your real skills at PVP, go play nice Call of Duty series or Bad Company 2.. I'm quite addicted to those games and cannot wait for Call of Duty: Black Ops coming out next month! I really love to kill people there. It's much more rush feel than this GL PVP. And yes, I have pretty good K/D ratio in those games. It really requires my constant attention in real time and thinking too of what to do. Nothing repeats the same thing over and over again so gotta adapt every time to new PVP game depends on new sets of players and their methods.. THAT is definitely a real skill involved.. Unlike this GL.. GL is just fun that requires so much little time and not requiring constant attention on our part. We can very well play COD while playing GL at the same time rather easy heh.

Now, I'm in such mood to play Bad Company 2 tonight just to kill some players. :D My most favorite class is Recon cuz I'm Deaf who cannot even communicate with teammates (PS3 doesn't have keyboard etc like PC does) at all so I am better off as lone wolf doing my job nicely trying to help teammates by guessing their needs and their future moves that I constantly kept predicting all the time. I guess constantly predicting really helps my skill to anticipate things little more clearly than I used to be in the past.. I really love to see enemy's head shattered even he jumped off bldg or running like mad only to fall down on the floor predicting their trajectory of my bullet to land home.. I grinned every time I see blood splattered off top of the body at very great distance. :) I love how those enemies really overlooked the most obvious spots that they assumed that snipers wouldn't even be there. They kept looking at most common-sense hiding spots where snipers would be found at and I avoided hiding those common-sense spots and just hide in most exposed, obvious spots even with tiny bushes but they hide me very well. Enemies literally walked past me and I just killed them immediately with my dagger then I had to move cuz I just exposed my spot.. Lol.

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Mojo my thing with Noci is simply that whenever the game makes a change, he finds a loophole in the system, and then acts like pretentious @$$ about it. Then when people complain about how hes doing this he pulls the old "well if the game allows me to do it then I cant be blamed for my actions" AKA every abusers excuse. Its like how that guild got banned in WoW for abusing siege damage mechanics, its one thing for a loophole to just so happen to work in your advantage its another to look for these and then build your strategy around it when its obvious that what your doing is not what was intended. Which is what Noci does every time theres a patch which limits his power.

Way back Noci had people stampede offenders of any degree, then Action limits were put in, along with Alert limits.
When those were put in, (IDK why maybe this is just coincidence) all of the sudden DOO members had alot more to say when it came to insults. Which wether purposefully or not caused their enemies to go for revenge which made the last two changes pointless in alot of cases.
When legions were finally put in and Dan said (paraphrasing) "I think of every legion as separate entities with no alliances in-between them" idk about you but this to me was him basically saying "All groups above 50 members, disband were making this even for everyone", Noci then made their be several DOO groups.
Then when he realized that there was going to be more focus on inter legion then legion to legion changes he first tried to kick everyone who was weak. And when those DOO members grew a heart they said no, so Noci took he strongest members and quit DOO with them trailing behind.

In conclusion, Noci has with what I can only call abuse at this point of small niches in the game mechanics made himself and his allies powerful at the cost of others in the game. And then whenever the game has been changed he simply changed his strategy so that it still "allows" him to use niches in the game. All the while claiming himself to be perfectly innocent due to the game "allowing" him to do these actions and that he is infact helping the game by pointing these things out. When by simply spending a few minutes think ahead of possible abuses we could have saved the trouble and bullcrap that Noci has put the rest of the community through.

Do I have a respect for Noci for finding these things and using them to his advantage? Yes, but the level at which he does this and the fact that instead of telling people ahead of time he waits for the community to realize they're still being bullcrapped in combination with his pretentiousness, makes me lose that respect.
With this I really have to ask myself, "How much crap has happened simply because Noci acts the way he does?" as well as "How much content has been added simply because PSICOre has some sick addiction to ranking when Dan could have spent that time improving the game?" and the answer is not pretty.
(just to make this clear because people dont seem to get this)I UNDERSTAND THAT DOO IS GOOD TO IT'S MEMBERS, ITS THEIR EFFECT ON THE OVERALL COMMUNITY I'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH. (notice the past tense because you guys have been fine for the past month or so)

P.S. if you want us to shut up, get your own forum.

P.P.S. Thank you Mojo for not just flat out calling me evil and whatnought, just to let you know im happy to give anyone who asks info that I know wether I agree with your actions or not. Unless your PSICore, everyone else is fine though.


Here I will do it them, you are evil. You recruit cowards like Kirkwood Conklininto your midst and then back him when he starts a fight with someone ranked 72 at the time and he cries to you so you and four others have a go at that person. Only one of these people including yourself have any honor. That would be John Carr being lv. 84 to my current 76. Maybe you guys should rethink who you let in your alliance. And no I won't back off little kirky now because of this.

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im really wondering how other legion are dealing with the Graxis, Stryll Prison, I know that its the only npc that stays for long hours. Most of us are great with attacking NPC and with our ranks between 160 and above (I believe only one member is not able to attack it).


Galaxy Desperados: 13 can be notified
DOO2 has only 9 that can be notified
Paladins have 4 that can be notified
Knights of Nova Republic only has 3 that can be notified
Dark side has only 3 that can be notified.
Adepts has only 2 that can be notified.

I believe were the only legion thats farming those NPC's!!!

Now I dont know why NPC farming is not fun for other ppl but I love getting Artifacts that improve my ship and Improve my deck space.. I can PVP the whole day but it wont matter because the only thing that will improve would be my stats... So 2 - 3 kills a day on PVP is enough. :P

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Mojo my thing with Noci is simply that whenever the game makes a change, he finds a loophole in the system, and then acts like pretentious @$$ about it. Then when people complain about how hes doing this he pulls the old "well if the game allows me to do it then I cant be blamed for my actions" AKA every abusers excuse. Its like how that guild got banned in WoW for abusing siege damage mechanics, its one thing for a loophole to just so happen to work in your advantage its another to look for these and then build your strategy around it when its obvious that what your doing is not what was intended. Which is what Noci does every time theres a patch which limits his power.

Way back Noci had people stampede offenders of any degree, then Action limits were put in, along with Alert limits.
When those were put in, (IDK why maybe this is just coincidence) all of the sudden DOO members had alot more to say when it came to insults. Which wether purposefully or not caused their enemies to go for revenge which made the last two changes pointless in alot of cases.
When legions were finally put in and Dan said (paraphrasing) "I think of every legion as separate entities with no alliances in-between them" idk about you but this to me was him basically saying "All groups above 50 members, disband were making this even for everyone", Noci then made their be several DOO groups.
Then when he realized that there was going to be more focus on inter legion then legion to legion changes he first tried to kick everyone who was weak. And when those DOO members grew a heart they said no, so Noci took he strongest members and quit DOO with them trailing behind.

In conclusion, Noci has with what I can only call abuse at this point of small niches in the game mechanics made himself and his allies powerful at the cost of others in the game. And then whenever the game has been changed he simply changed his strategy so that it still "allows" him to use niches in the game. All the while claiming himself to be perfectly innocent due to the game "allowing" him to do these actions and that he is infact helping the game by pointing these things out. When by simply spending a few minutes think ahead of possible abuses we could have saved the trouble and bullcrap that Noci has put the rest of the community through.

Do I have a respect for Noci for finding these things and using them to his advantage? Yes, but the level at which he does this and the fact that instead of telling people ahead of time he waits for the community to realize they're still being bullcrapped in combination with his pretentiousness, makes me lose that respect.
With this I really have to ask myself, "How much crap has happened simply because Noci acts the way he does?" as well as "How much content has been added simply because PSICOre has some sick addiction to ranking when Dan could have spent that time improving the game?" and the answer is not pretty.
(just to make this clear because people dont seem to get this)I UNDERSTAND THAT DOO IS GOOD TO IT'S MEMBERS, ITS THEIR EFFECT ON THE OVERALL COMMUNITY I'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH. (notice the past tense because you guys have been fine for the past month or so)

P.S. if you want us to shut up, get your own forum.

P.P.S. Thank you Mojo for not just flat out calling me evil and whatnought, just to let you know im happy to give anyone who asks info that I know wether I agree with your actions or not. Unless your PSICore, everyone else is fine though.


Here I will do it them, you are evil. You recruit cowards like Kirkwood Conklininto your midst and then back him when he starts a fight with someone ranked 72 at the time and he cries to you so you and four others have a go at that person. Only one of these people including yourself have any honor. That would be John Carr being lv. 84 to my current 76. Maybe you guys should rethink who you let in your alliance. And no I won't back off little kirky now because of this.

1: Not the appropriate place for this
2: I do not appreciate the insults you have left on our comms, its really just a waste of energy on your part seeing as now people who just wanted you to stop are now going to want revenge themselves.
3: Give me some proof of him attacking first and ill do something about it
4: Feel free to get your legion involved


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im really wondering how other legion are dealing with the Graxis, Stryll Prison, I know that its the only npc that stays for long hours. Most of us are great with attacking NPC and with our ranks between 160 and above (I believe only one member is not able to attack it).


Galaxy Desperados: 13 can be notified
DOO2 has only 9 that can be notified
Paladins have 4 that can be notified
Knights of Nova Republic only has 3 that can be notified
Dark side has only 3 that can be notified.
Adepts has only 2 that can be notified.

I believe were the only legion thats farming those NPC's!!!

Now I dont know why NPC farming is not fun for other ppl but I love getting Artifacts that improve my ship and Improve my deck space.. I can PVP the whole day but it wont matter because the only thing that will improve would be my stats... So 2 - 3 kills a day on PVP is enough. :P

What PA isnt good enough to be on your list or something?

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ya even after i did 49k dmg to it myself it stayed up for a long time never thout it was gona die that day... 17 people on the kill count and only 15 could get reward yet no one wanted to kill it lol

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What PA isnt good enough to be on your list or something?


I just tried to check the top legions since I dont have the other legions on my battle tab.

But for your happiness coth,

1 Cothordin 211
2 Neruk 249
3 Caine 226
4 Hunterx 190
5 Soozerama 183
6 Maudib 188
7 Halestorm 183
8 Heidi de Lambert 170
9 Andrex 166

Are the only ones who can recieve the alert for the Graxis, Stryll Prison, Look at what you made me do I had to attack a couple of PVP targets just to have a PA member on my battle tab.. :? :roll: :oops:

BTW in our Legion these are the people who can receive the Alert
Nocifer DeathB. 316
Mojo311 394
Chris24Markey 375
Swiftus 367
Xx Blitz xX 273
Krauzen 244
Darkerothe 396
Titanis 377
Destrop 327
Hardstyle 326
Deathstalker 316
Kainaj 305
Chrace 303
Limozeen 286
FatalError 284
Datatech07305 275
RogueForce 269
Tildar Human Spy 260
Milbrandt 243
LaReina 239
Paratwa 233
Tushe 226
Llore 215
BubbaSmith 213
Willeitner 210
Sean Boudreaux 207
Bernard McManus 204
Dexpertus Olstarr 185
XxV3NOMxX 183
Maeroth 177
Deadpool134 176
Jfusc 176
Remric 172
Ixmoda 171
Neobloodsin 171
FelixGuardian 170
PaulFrick 168
BobSmith 166
Sukram 166
XxKraKKenxX 162
Shortbus Ed 161
Eduardo Medina 161
TheDocttor 160

Im only pointing out Graxis, Stryll Prison hour about NPC's that are 200 and above. I know when I hit 200 I will be able to help out but those high level players without high level players with them are in a bad situation. If a high rank elite/boss appears they are just going to stare at the NPC and have a wishfulthinking on what the NPC will drop. of course you can also kill it on your own but would be using lots of energy cubes/refill in the process :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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im really wondering how other legion are dealing with the Graxis, Stryll Prison, I know that its the only npc that stays for long hours. Most of us are great with attacking NPC and with our ranks between 160 and above (I believe only one member is not able to attack it).


Galaxy Desperados: 13 can be notified
DOO2 has only 9 that can be notified
Paladins have 4 that can be notified
Knights of Nova Republic only has 3 that can be notified
Dark side has only 3 that can be notified.
Adepts has only 2 that can be notified.

I believe were the only legion thats farming those NPC's!!!

Now I dont know why NPC farming is not fun for other ppl but I love getting Artifacts that improve my ship and Improve my deck space.. I can PVP the whole day but it wont matter because the only thing that will improve would be my stats... So 2 - 3 kills a day on PVP is enough. :P


Heh, they'll start to enjoy Graxis soon once their legion average rank goes up then they'll start to enjoy some more NPC farming like we already are going through soon. They are just starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. :D I hope that we will see more new tough bosses like Graxis because 10- or 12-loot drop NPCs are dropping like flies way too fast not giving most of us enough time to join in when we log in.. If I am away for 2-3 hours, those NPCs get alerted and dead by the time I re-log. ;( Graxis is only NPC that I could participate almost every time I log in.. Would be nice to see more 15 or even 20 or 25 loot drop NPC (wider rank range maybe?) bosses down the road!

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Heh, they'll start to enjoy Graxis soon once their legion average rank goes up then they'll start to enjoy some more NPC farming like we already are going through soon. They are just starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. :D I hope that we will see more new tough bosses like Graxis because 10- or 12-loot drop NPCs are dropping like flies way too fast not giving most of us enough time to join in when we log in.. If I am away for 2-3 hours, those NPCs get alerted and dead by the time I re-log. ;( Graxis is only NPC that I could participate almost every time I log in.. Would be nice to see more 15 or even 20 or 25 loot drop NPC (wider rank range maybe?) bosses down the road!


The best NPCs are already custom tailored to your group. A graxis is monumentally wasteful for other groups and your group has more people than slots for it. The only reason it probably isn't already gone is that it would be even more unfair and people would endlessly complain that they never had the chance at it. It might not be strictly defined as a loophole, but asking for even more unfair advantages is a bit transparent.

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The prison is tough but we in the republic have gone through 3 of them. there tough and some of us had to do double duty. even if a legion cant do it its just one piece of candy. does every player have to have every goodie? not much to do with it anyway if your high enough to get it.

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I'm 28% into one right now. A collosal waste of time for all but a few groups. Just saying we don't really need bigger and badder enemies still if it is only going to benefit the top .01% of the players of the game.

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What does it matter if Dan makes ones just for these guys? if the dysonians get any bigger it wont matter as they are already huge.

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I understand that it makes fiscal sense to cater to the people that actually pay money to the game, but paying already provides huge bonuses and I don't really see any need to exacerbate it that much more when it can only make the game more boring for them in the end by taking out any socially competitive aspects of the game for them (sorry for bringing that up again). It makes more fiscal sense for higher levels to actually compete against each other if anyone expects them to spend another cent.

If you are in any group besides maybe 4 of them, a very small portion of the community, getting a gravix is a curse. For them it is throwing a mere 400 energy away for more than a rank's worth of rank points. For anyone else it is a feeling of luck followed by vast disappointment due to a failure at math. Asking for more things like this is just plain ridiculous. If people actually knew how it worked they would either want to use a credit card or give up and I don't really think that is the choice that Dan wants to put forth. Eventually more people will have reasonable access to it, but I can just imagine something even more ridiculous coming to fruition as soon as that happens, and yes, Nocifer asking for just such a thing irritates the #&$# out of me.

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@Spoony.. /yawn. What we are doing what we like doesn't really affect you in any way and you are not even in our legion.. Then why complain?


See Dan's latest comment, "The rate of QSE's from artifact shipments have been dropped significantly, pretty much to mythical status. We are instead focusing on having these artifacts be available from T.O. Troop Carriers, and soon-to-be other enemy ships. Similarly, fluxes are now available through Dark Arms carriers.

Both types are ships are matched NPCs, so they are available to most players."

It makes NPC farming even more rewarding than before and I knew Dan will make NPC system more sophisticated and rewarding down the road so that's why I prepared this legion when I started it up... It makes PVP affairs less appealing.. Remember, there are groups of players who are only into the loots. GL is very loot-centric game that strengthens ship and planets and most loots come from missions, NPCs and tech.. It's like telling non-PVP-oriented players (before NPC system got implemented) why they were only doing missions and nothing into PVP? It's simply that they love to do missions.. That's it.. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Missions and NPCs in this game right now gives best lores/stories of NPCs right now that players do enjoy to read. It is obvious that you don't give any crap about lores/stores and it's fine. PVP affairs are player-made lores/stories and it's also fun. It's nothing wrong to have all of best worlds.. PVP, PVE, missions, etc all at once..

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