Update 8/3/2010 Discussion
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kamuii
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:31 pm Posts: 137
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Kaos wrote: I recommend daily exercise, a hair cut and laying off the Hunt's snack packs. You will be amazed at what a difference having friends off of Facebook wili make in your life. i do have a social life outside facebook but i used to look forward to getting home and spendin my energy on legion alerts and then useing what was left on missions. but when i got home today the items on my ship's log was a couple colonize planet alerts and no legion alerts for other players. guess i kinda miss helpin out the newbie players in my legion.
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:37 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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kamuii wrote: Kaos wrote: I recommend daily exercise, a hair cut and laying off the Hunt's snack packs. You will be amazed at what a difference having friends off of Facebook wili make in your life. i do have a social life outside facebook but i used to look forward to getting home and spendin my energy on legion alerts and then useing what was left on missions. but when i got home today the items on my ship's log was a couple colonize planet alerts and no legion alerts for other players. guess i kinda miss helpin out the newbie players in my legion. You are only 61 that is within the majority of players. I think that your problem is that you have small legion to start with. If you wanna see more action in your rank range, I suggest to expand your legion to accept in more players of the same rank range. It will fix the problem you are facing.. Easily.. I am far worse than you.. Yet, I fully support the change. I am 185 and I suddenly see a HUGE drop in alert activity for me especially with my big, hyperactive legion.. I sure miss the action so that's why I decided to make my rank advancement at snail pace to let the entire GL rank average to catch up to me then I can start seeing alerts and get involved once again. I am not going to attack anyone in the battle tab just for fun cuz my motto is never to strike first.. I never did strike first at all and I'm going to stick to my motto.
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:26 am |
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kamuii
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:31 pm Posts: 137
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there are 129 members in my legion. all ranging from rank 1 to rank 235. before the patch it seemed like the most active group in my legion were the lower levels. guess i could do the same and slow my leveling. i also have the same motto id prefer to not start unneeded drama in the battle tab. guess ill start shooting down all these npcs...
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:36 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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kamuii wrote: there are 129 members in my legion. all ranging from rank 1 to rank 235. before the patch it seemed like the most active group in my legion were the lower levels. guess i could do the same and slow my leveling. i also have the same motto id prefer to not start unneeded drama in the battle tab. guess ill start shooting down all these npcs... Hmm, I would think 129 members are decent and should be enough to keep activity up. Odd..
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:40 am |
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SpoonyJank
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 7:20 pm Posts: 1178
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I like starting fights... I think its silly to judge someone by their actions in a game. If I blame Nocifer for what DOO has done to the game it might be somewhat less silly because he chose to take up that responsibility and I think some people tend to blame him because he seperates himself from that responsibility by attaching his personal values to his character's action. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but professing ignorance and impotence over a situation you chose to take responsibility for is pretty annoying. The limit system exists because of DOO and I'm not a big fan of it and it doesn't really bother me if DOO isn't a big fan of it either. The reason why you don't get notifications is probably how the new system intrinsically deescalates. I already tried to explain why I don't like it in another thread. Quote: If I can only hack a person 5 times in a day I would probably have to hack them for months on end to get a single occupied planet. Of course it is the same for groups. If there were a defensive timer instead of an offensive one it would prevent groups from ganging up on people and still allow me to hack them every 25 minutes on a 1v1 basis, which really isn't that bad. I'm one of the few people to get legitimately gang-banged in this game, so I'm pretty aware of why the limit exists. The only ways to attack people now is totally inconsequential and non-targeted. I have to harass everyone in the game to PVP now and it essentially has no real negative effect on them.
well I can hack the guy 5 times who may have actually done something to me in the past... with a season's effort for a chance at getting a planet. Then after that if I wanted I could blow my load hacking everyone else in the game willy-nilly, but that's not really my bag, and presently retarded under the limit system.
I'm bad at explaining stuff. To rephrase: the only way to use a decent portion of your energy in PVP is to attack people willy-nilly or be lucky enough to find someone stupid enough to have done that already. Actually targeting someone who may have done something to you in the past is essentially impossible if they don't feel like playing ball that day. Unfortunately my memory goes back further than a day, but it is quite understandable that things before the update should probably be left in the past. Some of the aspects of the new update just seem counterintuitive though. I feel kind of bad #$&*@ about it since it seems like something that was quite a pain in the ass to program. The database of this game is pretty amazing if it can log every action this well. Is there a universal rollover at some specific hour?
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:55 am |
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kamuii
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:31 pm Posts: 137
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i think im gonna restart my account considering i spent rank points in crap i dont need. should be less boring. lol.
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:55 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
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Wow! After the change.. Total alerts I received so far til now.. ZERO! I kinda regretted that I ranked up too fast. I definitely put rank advancement at slower pace to allow the average rank of players to catch up. I am Konqul who lives for battle and blood. Before the change, there were plenty of battles so I just assist defensively to retaliate that helped me to stick to no-strike first rule personally.. Now, after the change.. I am yearning for more battles in all forms, disable, hack and raid.. But things are very quiet so far. I refuse to change my race Konqul (I always have been a Konqul since day one) to Vygoid (WAY too common in high rank realm. Zero RP value there) simply cuz there is no more battles other than NPCs.. That made the kill list (it currently has 5 DOO members in top 8 kill list) an attractive target for me to make my very first strike to those 3 remaining players simply cuz they put themselves in the kill list first so I could scout their responses and see if they are worthy fighter. If they are worthy then offer them DOO membership.. Once the top 8 kill list is filled with all DOO then I probably have to start testing out battle tab against unknown players who never bothered to cloak themselves from my konqul ship to scout them out. I have respect for known GL leaders so I won't touch them and I fully know that they won't join DOO anyway so no point in that. Of course, I only duel without DOO involved simply because DOO doesn't band together offensively. As part of old DOO rule, anyone who makes offensive moves shouldn't get DOO involved or alert.. It's just a honorary duel cuz it's what battle tab and kill list are for that places them in dangerous PVP realm of rank 100 to 200.. I wanted to test how battle tab/kill list doing. If it causes lot of grievences then something wrong with the way it works. I was just saying in advance so developer could think if that approach is ok. If he thinks it can be dangerous then he could revise some beforehand. Remember, I can't fight on same players on battle list forever due to queue limit anyway.. My approach isn't done deal yet. I'm just thinking at the moment. I am just waiting how new changes feel. If I see no alert for too long then I would finally start to fight. But for top 8 kill list, I would probably get it started now cuz they are also PVP players and I like to fight PVP players. I'm sure they will take PVP well cuz they are doing the same way anyway. So no grievence shouldn't happen by fighting kill list heh. I'm still not sure about battle tab however cuz I see many players in the battle tab are mostly peaceful players.. I would probably attack limited battle tab players if I see their combat reputation as high that means they do fight then it should be ok for me to fight them as well. Nocifer Deathblade wrote: That made the kill list (it currently has 5 DOO members in top 8 kill list) an attractive target for me to make my very first strike to those 3 remaining players simply cuz they put themselves in the kill list first so I could scout their responses and see if they are worthy fighter. If they are worthy then offer them DOO membership..
Heh, since I started my very first strike at kill list.. two just woke up and I liked their fighting spirit and offered to recruit them in. They gladly accepted to be DOO. That leaves just one single person in the kill list who isn't DOO and he seems is inactive so far. Once he joins, Kill list will be fully DOO's and the whole leaderboard in all category will be very close to 50% that are DOO members.. I guess I get bored again not to fight cuz no kill list left to hit on.. The battle tab is very attractive now but most of them are quite peaceful players with very low battles and low reputation so I'll leave them alone and I guess I'll just wait til a maniac PVP'er comes into battle tab and I'll gladly fight them to test their fighting spirit out.. I miss old days of fighting.. I am Konqul.. Darn it!! Fighting NPC surely isn't the same way as fighting players.. It would be cool if NPCs could curse, taunt, etc heh.
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:43 pm |
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SpoonyJank
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PVP is the best xp in the game still, if you take down higher levels than yourself. Unfortunately it takes a fair amount of scanning to even find 3 or 4 of those, and they never fight back. I'm making a half-hearted run at it with my gimp ship modules. Maybe I can get on in a few months. I'd like to test it for counter-hacking since my reputation will probably always be "laughable" anyways. Being disabled isn't so bad. The counters are weird, my raids are way more exhausted than my disables or hacks. Anyone on that list will have huge counters on everything pretty soon though.
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:34 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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SpoonyJank wrote: PVP is the best xp in the game still, if you take down higher levels than yourself. Unfortunately it takes a fair amount of scanning to even find 3 or 4 of those, and they never fight back. I'm making a half-hearted run at it with my gimp ship modules. Maybe I can get on in a few months. I'd like to test it for counter-hacking since my reputation will probably always be "laughable" anyways. Being disabled isn't so bad. The counters are weird, my raids are way more exhausted than my disables or hacks. Anyone on that list will have huge counters on everything pretty soon though. Yeah, unfortunately at my rank range that almost all those players in my battle tab are almost all pacifism type of players clearly aren't PVP'ers and also ones who are well known GL posters.. I don't fight those type of players because I have respect for them for helping GL out in different ways. I hope my slow rank-ups progress would allow younger GL players to catch up and I would start to receive more alerts soon. Unfortunately once I get involved to fight, almost everytime they get attacked by me, they immediately wanted to join DOO.  A rank 162 player stole a planet from DOO rank 115ish and got alerted. I was overjoyed to see that alert especially at rank 162 that seems is very juicy target especially Titan. Finally a little challenge but too bad that I took him down in only 5 hits and been at him on disable, raid and hack til maxed out and had to wait til recharge but now he's a possible DOO player he wanted to join once the solution between the DOO member he stole planet and him reached then the battle ends and He's DOO and I have no more to fight once again.. I have very strong battle blood in me yearning to fight.. Heh. That's why I chose to be Konqul all way.. I haven't died in 2 months or close to 3rd month I think cuz very few players were brave enough to fight me even hopeless but kept at it. I had recruited those very brave players into DOO and they got in cuz of their awesome fighting spirit and won't quit in sight of huge ship over his tiny ship. That's most courageous one I have seen in those players heh.
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:45 am |
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SpoonyJank
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 7:20 pm Posts: 1178
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Someone comm'd me that I got a notification on me and I didn't die or get hacked or probably even get attacked. 0 o
I feel like I'm re-learning PVP. I only know how to play dirty... I'm going to share a nice planet and hope the person is someone I don't like.
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:56 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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SpoonyJank wrote: I feel like I'm re-learning PVP. I only know how to play dirty... I'm going to share a nice planet and hope the person is someone I don't like.
Heh, to be a PVP player, you have to utilize every avenue. Just play dirty won't cut it.. If you only play dirty from day one and never change, you are basically doomed immediately..  PVP player constantly adapts to every changes in the PVP realm and also need to be quite teamplayer too to survive..
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:03 am |
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SpoonyJank
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I'm creative. It' my one redeeming aspect in PVP once it gets intense. There are a myriad of ways to get into/out of anything. Being weaker than whomever/whatever you attack is quite educational.
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:01 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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Gah! Now ALL kill list (3 were non-DOO) just joined DOO after I fought them. Now all 8 in the kill list are now DOO members.. Now I have no one to fight against. Battle tab is just mostly pacifism so I just spare them so they can have fun playing GL without quitting the game.... Maybe very few of them to fight just to see.. Very itching to fight.. Lol...
Edited: Ok, I just made first disable in battle tab.. Won't name a victim but about similar rank as mine so I can feel some challenge. I'll scout him out if he is a good fighter then offer him DOO membership. One thing I just learned from the battle tab is that it had SAME set of players for months that I saw and never changed.. But when I disabled one, new player just showed up and replaced that disabled one. Wow! As long as a player isn't trapped, the fight is actually just once then he's gone and new person shows up.
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:12 am |
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Igonb
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As long as the players in the battle tab have made 10 kills or hacks I am sure that one of their targets must have been a DOO member. So you don't have to worry about waiting for an alert. Alternatively you could stop pretending you are not a thug that just likes beating up on the little guy and taking there lunch money unless they join your gang  .
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:32 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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Igonb wrote: As long as the players in the battle tab have made 10 kills or hacks I am sure that one of their targets must have been a DOO member. So you don't have to worry about waiting for an alert. Alternatively you could stop pretending you are not a thug that just likes beating up on the little guy and taking there lunch money unless they join your gang  . Heh. I used to fight lot of higher rank players when I was sub 100 and it was a blast.. I sure miss those old days. Now, I am enjoying it again to fight equal or higher rank players in battle tab. At least, they can't call me "bully" if they are much superior in technology and/or higher rank than I am? After all, they are in battle tab that place them in the dangerous PVP zone. If they really want to stay out of any fights, they should have stayed cloaked.. I hope my action in battle tab would encourage some players to get cloaked if they don't want to fight.. At least, I cannot farm same players. Every time I disable someone in battle tab, they simply disappeared (If they don't fight back or have traps) and new victim shows up waiting to be destroyed.. Heh. At least, I finally can have my combat blood going and enjoy the battle. I hope to see some of them worthy to give me some good fight.. I only attack those players with high combat reputation.. I dismiss any with low combat reputation.. Of course, I fully accept deaths from them if they got mad and kill me. After all, it's called a duel.  And.. I am Konqul.. What else?  My whole point of that battle tab right now is to test it how it works with new changes and maybe point out some new flaws. Cuz no one else bothered to fight alot in battle tab so far so can't find flaws that way if never get it tested much.. As nice added bonus, there is some chance to recruit some good high rank mature players into DOO.. One nice thing about battle tab is the restriction for disable, hack and raid means nothing (after all it was designed for restricting alert to organization and I'm just doing 1 to 1 duel) because once I do that to a player, it simply disappears and I move on to new player to attack and repeat. That way they only got 1 attack from me each. Besides, It's first time that I switched my class (I refuse to give up Konqul) but now switched to Fixer for nice 30% hull bonus. 20% cloak doesn't cut it much especially if I am always targetable in kill list anytime where cloak won't protect me at all while fixer will help me out more.. Hull boost is very nice! 
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:40 am |
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KIMBAwannadie2
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