Right why do i say this:
1. We have a system where :
planets have become few and far between
top 500 players control 90% of the best planets and 25% of these are now invincible because of new legion mission content that is encouraging legions to stick together, and not help new players who have 0 chance of keeping a new planet that they do find.

2.. With tips and tricks players ships have been blown way out of proportion with no ship lvl caps.
yes they have put the time and effort in and lots of money in some cases. but how can a new player ever compete.

3. trainee system is meant to invite those new players - yet there is no incentive for them to stay as they will never be able to compete with the largest players ever the gap is just too wide,

4. new content has to be continually developed to keep the big players interested. and is overwhelming the new players.

My ship name is Divine and I am at the forefront of helping new players, i'm playing this game to help them not for my own personal glory, and this is the feedback i've been getting in over 5 years of playing.

yes ive taken time out for life and my job and i don't play to win.. so yes my ship is average. but i play to help otehrs and have seen many come and go including many of teh top legions with whom i have been friends... some play to win and won't cotemplate --- teh game is important--- it has to be to keep playing it.

But there comes a point where, its necesary to do this.

My proposition is this call a winner or group of winners give them a reward to take past reset to get them a start.in teh new realm.

reset the game details everyoen starts at lvl 1 and experiences all teh new content from the start.

this will alleviate the need to constant bring in new content and give teh developers dan a new stream . of new players who will stay.

add in player lvl caps so that cooperative play is necesary.

those that care for teh game and the player base as a whole will welcome this yes there will be a few who will quit.... but its not much better than losing 50% more from inaction.. maybe also reset all bans... and actuvely elect a player council to oversee teh running and help out.

i don't nominate myself for this ist teh playerbase who should nominate.
your thoughts appreciated--- no flames just constructive arguments. for and against----

It's definitely a thought provoking idea. It's one that people are never going to agree upon. It would solve a lot of the problems in the game, but it would also erase upto five years of hard work from some players. Personally I don't believe it's feasible, it has the potential to lose a lot of high paying customers, but you could argue in a year or two they'll leave anyway because of lack of content.

Maybe setting up a second server would be better. People are going to use the excuse of expense to Dan to counter this but surely he'll make a hell of a lot more money off of everyone having to buy, fathers, trinitys and mission planets etc. again than he'd pay for a new server. It would also mean people would get to keep their progress they've worked hard for.

-1 It would kill the game outright.

Thoughts on a second server instead?

Personally, I think that a reset would just make me think "Why did I spend 4 years of my life playing this game to lose everything?"

Also, a second server would kill the original because too many people would move over and ditch their original accounts and then you would probably 1/2 the playerbase of the game.

Seriously, the idea of resetting the game is just ridiculous.
It doesn't just affect 5-year ships, it affects everyone, including people like me who have played considerably less than 3.
In what galaxy is it fair to destroy the time and effort of all players because people who have played much longer are tired of sucking?
Play for fun or don't play. Really very simple. Teach new players and help them grow, not suck.

Second server is not a solution, it is a delayed death. Why would you want to decrease numbers?

The player base is sparse enough that this would spread everybody out even further whilst increasing the resource requirements on Dan's end. I'd like to keep the game going for as long as possible. It's a preferable alternative to a clean slate, but what happens in three... four years down the line? Galaxy Legion 3.0? Assuming the game lasts that long.

The perceived problem of noobs somehow having a bad time because strong legions exist is not actually a problem, just people whining about having crap ships by comparison because they didn't spend time NPCing and actually playing the right way to get a good ship. There's nothing wrong with that if you're having fun, as long as you don't then come along and cry that because those people over there are better than you we have to start again. The same thing will happen; they will prosper as they did before and the people who didn't put the time and effort in before aren't going to magically begin doing so with a clean slate.

Those are fair replies but is there an other way to possibly level the playing field? It is something that has to be looked at. New players actually do matter you know . Or maybe it isn't a problem, and maybe people just need to be happy not being level?

There is nothing stopping new players from thriving in way less time than 5 years.
You put in the effort, you reap the rewards... same as it ever was.

Main problem is planet wise those rewards are dwindling.

I feel this question needs to be asked. Why does the playing field need to be leveled? Why shouldn't someone who's been playing for five years do better than someone who's just joined? What is with this attitude of everybody getting a gold star and everybody winning?

One of the reasons I joined EotS, actually, was to be at the bottom.

But Necromancer, EotS are the top of the leaderboard! That makes no sense!

And that's where my low-IQ alter ego is wrong. It makes perfect sense. I'm rank 1200. I am 15th from the bottom of the legion. 10th if you discount trainees and someone whom I suspect is a trader as they're not loyal. In many other legions I'm going to be one of the top guns. I will use Galaxy Wombats as an example, as I used to be a leader there. Were I still there, I'd be #4. Right up top. What do I have to strive for? Sure, there's 3rd, 2nd and 1st place to strive for but they're not too far away.

In EotS? I'm one of the noobs. I love it! I have something to strive for. I reach new, meaningful goals and have more to reach in future. I'm in no hurry to become the person with the highest AP or the strongest ship because... What then?

My point? My playing field is not boring. I'm at the bottom of a very steep hill which I'll probably never reach the top of, but I'm going to enjoy the climb regardless. An even playing field would make this game so incredibly dull.

Fact is your stats have been pulled out your ass to be honest, you have no factual basis for these stats. you have just invtented them in order to make your point
A reset would kill the game. those who gp would be incensed and those who gp are what fund the game. Those who have nice ships would be pissed off because all their work would be gone. new players can build up and compete.

More than that, those stats have been directly refuted by me in the other thread.

The number of people with 5 morphogenic inhibitors is incredibly low. I don't think anybody has 10 morphogenic inhibitors.

I have to disagree with you on that one.
New players at my legion are gifted with maxed plasmas and maxed toxics.
Neither were available when I started except for 1000+k CTP and 750K CTP respectively.
Or you could trade an ergosphere filter for a maxed toxic from higher ranks around the galaxy... who now would go for that deal?

While the addition of new planets has surely made it less exciting to scan for old hands, I think for new players it is much better in many ways.
I seldom scan now when I don't find a couple of nice unoccupied, unscanned Large or Very Large 2x or 3x arti terras.
While these are not very exciting to you or me now, when I started they would have been like gold.
As a result, we have a constant stream of nice arti farmers being alerted as well.

Factor in 100k+ daily arti pull versus the old 25k or less from the Level 5 I started in, limitless artis on demand from higher players and good advice and I think new players are not getting it as bad as some might think.

Please explain in points how lower ranks have it worse not than 5 years ago when the game was first created, or if that's too hard for you, compare now with 3 years ago, since obviously you claim you know so much about the game and the statistics involved and keys to success.

you seem to care far too much about what happens to you and your legion for someone that keeps saying they don't really care


maybe you should consider quitting, i mean it can't be good for your health to get so riled up at your age

where is your walker btw... didya know you have played this game a year longer than i have? and i'm in the top 10 for rank, battles & hacks, and on the leaderboard for kills......

funny i didn't see ya on there, especially given your time played, figured you would at least be on one of the leaderboards

because... i have a life a family a job and commitments.. hell my kids play this more than i do... and being all that is not a recipe for success.. you all quote my legion gives new players all they need... do you wipe their arses for them .... do you even remeber when you had to scrape and save for the upkeep for your ship, by teaching people to take what theyre given and do nothing for themselves is putting them into a reliance on you.. ive been there behind the scenes battling to teach people to play within their means, do things for themselves, yes ive given them the odd hand up, but at least ive taught them that they don't need to rely on their legion to survive. if you force feed all these newbies with your rubbish..... they will never learn to surpass you, many of my students have surpassed me many times over and i'mm proud. so what i'm not at the forefront ramming rubbish down their throats and keeping them thankful for it... i teach them to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves , not become an eots robot.. who gives all he gets to his masters and spouts out all the rubbish in teh same way over and over again....
no i won't quit doing what i a m doing, i'm just getting tired of seeing elss and less free thinkers ... and seeing mroe and more get rich quick kids who claim theyre the be all and end all cos they were given all they have got and have not worked a day in their lives cos they need to spend 12 hrs a day playing a computer game, and can't have a life.

Has anybody told you to stop doing what you're doing? I don't think so. You seem to be perceiving things which aren't there again, like doubts about your play time.

You make assumptions about EotS but I don't think you know what it's actually like here.

Kirk might pass down some of his own wisdom... If he follows that advice himself and manages to still stay at the top? Well, obviously he's doing something right. I'm inclined to trust his advice in that case.

pls lock this thread before it gets uglier than it is already approaching. Personal attacks will be next then name calling and irrational statements about families and individual traits.

I fully support all free speech and ideas, and think they have merit for discussion, but this thread is moving toward angry disassociated red herrings and vehement spurious attacks.

Ps- I also would probably quit if the game reset. I MIGHT be in for a game remod--where in people would keep some level of advantage for what they have acheived...but this seems pretty impossive to me in all practical senses...and who would be able to gauge how to do so or want to spend that effort.

Free thinker says: your arguments are illogical.
For the love of little kittens, why do you care? Play and have fun, or don't. Put in the effort to improve, or don't. Really, really simple.

You can't have it both ways... I don't have time to be good I have a life (and anyone better than me obviously does not) but we need to even the playing field because people who spend more time are better than me at a fun little FB game.
New Players are vital and I care soooo much about them ...but giving them stuff to help speed their progress is bad because they won't learn to stand on their own two feet.

Sheesh, it's just too contradictory for words, we really do need to create a whole new term for that level of cognitive dissonance.