He tried joining PA as Sleepercell hmmmmmm

Sleepercell has been booted from ROO 2 x, DOO 2, knights 2 x, paladins, crusaders, gd, pa, ds and 501. When DS and 501 boot you , you must be a total pos

By the same token, you and Angela are supposedly RL spouses, yet have different GL accounts. I could make the same claim that you are multi with the Bender and Angela accounts.

How do we really know for certain that the multi's are actually the same person, or just family members / significant others playing on the same computer? Meaning, how do we know Jody is multi with the two different GL accounts AND you (Bender) and Angela aren't? Or vice versa.

As for Angela being a multi of mine you have many of your own members who know different. She has very much her own personality. A number of your members also witnessed great planets going one way sleepercell > jody xxxxxxxx thats what makes it a multi. That the main account benefits dis proportionally. What is done now dose not matter, what matters is what was being done then. Close your eyes its fine, you are however diminished no matter what you say how many disables you do, planets you invade or anything else. Dont just say the word, live by it as well.

I'm aware that you and Angela are two different people. My question was intended to be a devil's advocate point of view.

Continuing in this school of thought, I can see that you and Angela have different personalities. However, its easy to "roleplay" on the internet and forums. I mean, I can roleplay as a popular guy that everyone likes, has a lot of respect, intelligent grammar, well educated, etc. then I can switch over into another "persona" with bad grammar and is rude + crass. Example...

Proper British persona:

"I disagree with your opinion. (cite argument / debate here) This is why I think your viewpoint is mistaken. I believe I have the correct viewpoint based on evidence (cite evidence)"

Emo poster persona:

"I'm upset you don't agree with me. I know I am right on this. No matter what anyone says, I'm one of the good guys and your the bad guy."

Angry loser persona with lousy grammar:

"OMG you sux! you lozer oh come on Your wrong, you cheater! f00l hahahah weak!"

See? It can be easy to jump between personas and pretend to be completely different people online. So for the sake of argument, for all we know Nocifer could be, say, Dan in disguise, or Maud-ib could be Hawkblade, or Vladd could be BobSmith's alter ego. We can't know for 100% certainty that online people / anonymous strangers are who / what they really are in RL unless we actually meet them in real life.

The bottom line is that we either have to take it as a step of faith to believe those that we have never met in person online are who they are, or get all paranoid and think of multi's, hackers, frauds, etc. and go "Okay, first rule of thumb, don't believe anything this online 'stranger' says at all." I choose to give people the benefit of the doubt, myself.

EMO? I knew what you meant, seems like an awful lot of work writing as different people. Thats why i dont lie, not never ever ever, its just you have to remember what you told and to who, just no way to live. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I speak my mind and have strong views. the person in question was discussed long ago in the meeting, in fact he was discussed 3 times for his actions. I have forwarded this to Nocifer so he could see it as a continuation and in its entirety. I will say also that all of you have no need nor show any sign of cheating. Many of you spend plenty, play many hours and understand the game well enough. Like anything nothing is perfect, and while almost everyone of your members are good honest people who play a game they like a lot, there is a bad apple or two. Maybe its that role play that your talking about, but total legion loyalty to the point of actual war where its you or them, just cant do it. I have always tried to treat it as a game, like when i used to post as the Don Bot on opponents comms. Getting hacked, raided and disabled is no big deal and just part of playing the game. So my posting about this has nothing to do with getting killed or anything, action limits fixed and broke the game by removing that element of danger combat posed.

Wow. Lot stuff to catch-up. I had hell busy time in RL as usual heh. I'll answer as best as I can..

Yes. I am aware of Krakken (jody) situation. The reason why I accepted him into the Dysonians immediately when it was being born was because I thought he wasn't a multi-account and his Sleepercell was his daughter's account that he claimed. He was useful member of DDO and has many friends of DDOs who had gone Dysonian. I never felt comfortable with Sleepercell character that he tried to convince me to accept him into Dysonians but I never accepted Sleepercell as permanent member of the Dysonians Legion. That is at least something that I can control is to bar any related, suspected accounts into Dysonians. To keep so-called multi-account ships separate is good way to cripple their ability to cheat is something that I can control without any real evidences. It's same way as barring Mark Quinn. It's actually Rick's son and it's legit but I don't feel entirely comfortable by putting both father+son accounts into Dysonians so only Rick is a member of Dysonians and Mark is not. There are so many players with relative's accounts and it's hard to prove that they are actually a pure multi-account type. I'm aware that relatives-based accounts have ability to log in their accounts to do stuff in their favor when they are away or something like that. I put Jody's situation on same category as relative-based accounts. If Dan has solid proof of pure multi-account and Jody's claim on daughter is a total false then, yes, he gotta go and I have no problem. Otherwise, I keep him in Dysonians because of his useful role as a member and he got many friends in the legion that it's hard to let him go on an assumption. Best I can do is just to deny Sleepercell's admission into Dysonians Legion for life. I just don't like to have related-accounts in same legion because it can be biased and a breed for drama and prone to multi-accounting if it happens.

Is the American persona the angry loser persona?

well said Will, I'm done inputting on this matter. First I'm hearing its his daughter though, thought Amanda was supposed to be his gf/wife?

The burden of proof isn't actually on anyone but the sole developer, and if it was it would be the burden of disproving something which is technically impossible. Prove I don't have a kid named Tronald... Impossible, see? Who is expected to investigate these claims? Not you or I or the accused so it can only be the developer and that task is essentially possible to do even once, let alone a thousand times.

I came to the conclusion that nothing will ever be done about multi-accounts a long time ago. That doesn't make me or anyone else a multi-account, but it sure promotes other people to start using them. Maybe that way if it became ridiculous enough, it would be addressed through game mechanics or other wise. If game mechanics aren't built around it, there would need to be a change to the TOS and a way to back it up with software. Either seem like daunting tasks, but not nearly as impossible as trying to actually investigate claims.

Lol. Correct. So best that Dan can do is to introduce game mechanics that cripple the ability of the multi-accounting.. As for me, I prevent any players to have access to TWO ships in same legion: Dysonians just to make sure they don't cheat. For Krakken's case, I simply deny Sleepercell in same legion as Krakken. That way I can cripple his ability to multi-account if it ever happens to that..

That makes no sense at all I'd say... if you cannot trust your own legion members not to cheat what have you got? Exactly what i thought, nothing.

I learn not to trust ANYBODY in games but to myself so I put rules to enforce just to run things where trust isn't a factor.. I learned not to trust anybody LONG time ago as I play games for over 20 years over the cyberspace.. Anybody who trusts in games will have problems down the road. PVP is very brutal place and it's rather fool to trust anybody other than your real life friends/relatives who also play games. They are only ones that I can safely trust..

Yes, I always run things with my eyes on my back constantly for any backstabbing that even includes my own organization or legion or even my closest allies.. I even watched my back when I ran DOO and I protected my back when backstabbing happened and I thrived. I just like to stay prepared for anything. I do not trust anybody blindly. I can trust them "enough" to do their jobs because if they don't, I just replace them. I do not do favorism. I even kick game friends out if they are not doing their job or within my vision of the legion or whatever.. Krakken has his uses for Dysonians (as a whole picture) so I am keeping him. I would kick him out long ago if I find no use of him. I am very goal-oriented player. Game friends come second. Always.. Sure, I have many GL friends that we spent for many months together but they do come and go and I always am prepared for and make immediate changes if required. I already learned to be prepared for any betrayal or anything like that and make quick changes if it ever happens and I won't even get hurt from betrayals cuz it's normal in brutal PVP games.. Again, I watch my back.. Always.. So.. Trust is not in my vocabulary. It is for the weak..

When I read Drizzt's books about his brutal home city 15 years ago, I was fascinated with it and I learned many things about it and I implemented some of that in PVP games and it served me very well. I guess you can call me a drow but it works well in PVP enivornment..

That last part of crippling him is pretty off.

I remember back in the alliance wars when I was hunting Krakkan that he would conveniently have an omnicron net up when he went to sleep the 4 or 5 times I checked to prevent me from disabling him.

And didn't you guys publically "accuse" Hunter from PA and Dan the developer of cheating because you thought PA used too many artifacts against you. Well, Krakken has access to twice as many of certain artifacts then he normally would. And, I'm sure there are other things that can be done with multi-accounts not in the same legion.

What your legion does is up to you, but don't try and blow smoke up people's ass by saying that your crippling his ability to multi-account.

Noc, you really take this whole "Game" business far, far too seriously. It has to be said mate... I mean, games are meant to be fun, not a second job.

*shrug*

Different strokes for different folks.

Yep. Other people including me already brought the abuse issue of omnicron net up to Dan several months ago. It's up to Dan to fix that exploitation. I have no power to do that. I believe having two ships under one control in same legion is more abusive and powerful than keep them separate so I am doing this approach..

Lol. Games are actually for fun and most relaxing moment. I need it to take a good break from very hard work from engineering work that is rather intense.. I need mind to relax so can get ready to tackle problems next day as always.. I do not take games serious or I would get worked up or get hurt or whatever from it.. You sure assumed wrong. Games definitely aren't my 2nd job. It was meant to give me a nice stress release from real life as entertainment. I even roleplay in this game a lot and others took it rather serious. You kept assuming that I took this too serious.. You obviously don't know me. So many people assumed that I had no life or something like that and they really assumed totally opposite lol. Yes, I take real life seriously but definitely not games..

Well, the fact that it's even abusable and apparently being abused within your legion speaks volumes .... I hate cheaters, one of my big issues with CoD these days is all the hacking scumbags that cheat their way to the top prestige. I don't understand the mentality, you're only cheating yourself and wasting your own money.


In a game like GL, cheating is just cheap, i don't get how people can sleep at night with such cheap tactics being used. I would rather be disabled and raided several times over than bother wasting time hitting myself with a net.. taking a game that seriously is just sad, especially a facebook one.



Oh and Noc, engineering work isn't hard, it's just a bunch of number crunching .... I'm studying it at college. There are wayyy more physically demanding jobs i'd say. Depends what you're doing but I'm guessing you're not a desk jockey.

People doing nets on me as well during the wars so it's no different.. PVP is very brutul place that anybody will do anything to bend the rules..

College? LOL. I miss college years that it was actually much easier than my job right now that is damn demanding that requires lot of over times. I'm doing the work of several people equivalent. It's not just number crunching. I have to prepare and give presentations to managers and budget committees, I have to meet lot of deadlines for several projects at once. I do have to move a lot too across several labs, etc. I also have lot of things for my family outside work and also participate in physical activities. Yes, I am very well built person even at age of 41.. I'm very healthy compared to many guys my age that makes me cry.. I'm very productive worker. This game is just providing a good deep breath so I can continue my "hell" in real life more tolerable. GL is really fun and helps me to untangle my brain. Thinking too long can boggle down my thinking. Games really helps to clear my thoughts so I can stay productive.

Come back and tell me once you have your life filled with lot of things. College is nothing compared to this.. I graduated from university in '94 so I know how it is. I can't believe how SIMPLE life was when I was a student. I kinda miss it but I do enjoy my current life ALOT anyway and my team are working on the very interesting potential innovation that would help USA a lot so it's very attractive so I am willing to work extra length to help to make it happen. Yup. I take real life VERY VERY serious compared to GL that is really NOTHING and unimportant. It's just a "cigerette" for my brain to puff as a relaxation at best..

One of my best moment during college years is that it was where I met my wife for first time and we are still together for 21 years and she's a mother of our 2 wonderful daughters that we couldn't ask for.. She is my very first girlfriend and I'm her first boyfriend. She's darn beautiful and I just can't believe how blessed my life is. I wanted to work for NASA since I was 12 years old and I achieved my dream by becoming one and I am currently living in my dream. Yes, I tremendously am enjoying my job. That kind of stress is good type because I do enjoy my job. Remember, everything requires balance so I am balancing everything to avoid burning out. I balance my family life, work life, physical activities, and game life on daily basis so I won't get burned out.

One thing that I really love about engineering is that I never STOP learning while doing the job. Every year, always new things came and I have to learn to be able to do the job. I hate any jobs that don't involve any learning. I will get restless badly. I just GOTTA learn for life.. My field is currently physics, mathematics, economics, computer engineering, aerospace engineering (my favorite one) and now learning electrical engineering. I am also learning LabVIEW programming language (it rocks and it's quite popular now in colleges today) to be able to develop hardware system along with software programs as control/measure system. Many times, when I got offered a new project and asked me if I could do it even if it is way outside my skill set. I simply said sure! and I learned new skills as I go. I just love heavy challenges because it just give me lot of rushes.. I love to break down obstacles to achieve things. I am born Deaf and can't talk at all so that alone gives me lot of obstacles so I grew up breaking down lot of obstacles so it became my life-time habit just to break down obstacles as they kept popping up in front of my face.. Yes, I'm very thankful that I am born Deaf because it defines who I am.. I am practically first Deaf person in entire Deaf community to achieve so many things. That's why I am icon or idol to many deaf people who look up to me.. They really need role models to look up to. There aren't many deaf role models out there. It's sad.. You just don't know how difficult the life is as deaf person.. In fact, right now in USA.. There is 78% unemployment for deaf people compared to 9.4% for hearing people. Deaf people basically have to work twice as hard as hearing people just to prove themselves worthy.. Many deaf people simply gave up and accept the defeat and get handouts from gov't like SSI or welfare just to live by. I don't.. I never gave up.. I learned to work basically twice as hard in my entire life to get where I want to go so it became my habit.. I am currently holding the position rank that only 3 other deaf employees in entire USA are also holding.. Soon, I get promoted that would make me first one to hold higher position that no other deaf people had gone before..

As you can see.. In games, I love to be first in anything. It's no different in real life that I love to be first in anything because it simply gives me very high motivation to do it.. It's just prestige that I like to go after but that also helps others to enjoy the result of our work that also makes me happy. As many women told me many times that I am die-hard alpha male but very attractive at that, lol. Too bad for them that I am committed to my wonderful, beautiful wife of 21 years. Yes, I do get compliments from women many times especially when I am 41 compared to 20 yrs old. I even get seduced few times but I refused to do anything and politely told them that I am off-limit. I dunno why women like to go after older guys?? I got the look of women many times that those strangers just walked and looked at me only to see "shocked' face on their faces. I don't know them at ALL but they usually said, "Wow! You are soo.. handsome! That I can't believe it!" or something like that. I laughed when my wife was talking to two friends and two women walked into our food court area and one of them were in "shock" then asked her friend, "Who's that handsome guy sitting over there??" and my wife saw what she said so she replied, "Yes, that's my husband. " then she later told me few hours later about that story. We laughed about it.

I dunno why I explain this real life stuff to you. I normally don't in game worlds and I just let those gamers to think that I got no life or anything like that. I get that sooo many times that it can get annoying sometimes. I just decided to clear this misconception for once especially when I am in a game long enough especially GL.. I don't bother to explain or anything like that if I don't stay in a game too long.. Lot of game friends I know do have good real life as well. Gamers tend to have good productive life outside games because they stayed active in games so they developed their habit to stay active in real life rather than being passive like watching TV all the time that also affect their productivity level as well.. I hate to watch TV/movie longer than 2 hours per day!

Oh by the way. Since I am Deaf using ASL, English is my second language and I suck at it so bad so I sometimes have hard time to understand what other people are saying. English is one of my most weakest skills I have and English is one of courses that I hate the most and usually get bad grades... You just gotta forgive my horrible English as I post all the time, lol. I don't even care about any criticism of my English skill cuz I always am lazy when it comes to writing in English and I just write and post them on first draft most of the time. Music is even worse. Don't ask me about it. I'm basically "retarded" when it comes to music..

Somewhat tl;dr but i read the majority of it.

If English isn't your first language then what is?