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jcwiggens
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:38 am Posts: 920
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Well it's about time we started our own group thread........Estimated time to thread-jacking....5..4..3..2..1...? lol "And so it begins."
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:18 am |
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Cothordin
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:49 am Posts: 2606 Location: Cowland
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How are you "States"? I would assume you mean this is the "a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one", or "the civil government of a country", but seeing as you are not either a country, nation, nor a territory I bleive this is incorrect terminology.
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:21 am |
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zophah
Joined: Sat May 22, 2010 6:22 pm Posts: 1760 Location: On the bridge of the Vikiera
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Cothordin wrote: How are you "States"? I would assume you mean this is the "a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one", or "the civil government of a country", but seeing as you are not either a country, nation, nor a territory I bleive this is incorrect terminology. I think planets count as territories.
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:03 am |
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Cothordin
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:49 am Posts: 2606 Location: Cowland
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Territories="an area of land under the jurisdiction of a state" If your not a state, you cant own a territory, so its still incorrect.
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:15 am |
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jcwiggens
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:38 am Posts: 920
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I have seen you talk about your ship Coth. Do you really have a "ship" like in the game? No it's just an idea or abstract. Is that the best you got  ? I am sure you can get more creative then that to bust our balls  ....
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:23 am |
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zophah
Joined: Sat May 22, 2010 6:22 pm Posts: 1760 Location: On the bridge of the Vikiera
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Cothordin wrote: Territories="an area of land under the jurisdiction of a state" If your not a state, you cant own a territory, so its still incorrect. hmm... If planets are individual nations ruled by 1 person (the player), that the player acts like a commanding force, and legion leaders are overseers of members, Wouldn't that make a player "shogun" and a legion leader "emperor"?
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:31 am |
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Cothordin
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:49 am Posts: 2606 Location: Cowland
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jcwiggens wrote: I have seen you talk about your ship Coth. Do you really have a "ship" like in the game? No it's just an idea or abstract. Is that the best you got  ? I am sure you can get more creative then that to bust our balls  .... Again, no counter argument so this doesnt mean anything, so i dont need to get more creative  . Infact, this is easy! zophah wrote: Cothordin wrote: Territories="an area of land under the jurisdiction of a state" If your not a state, you cant own a territory, so its still incorrect. hmm... If planets are individual nations ruled by 1 person (the player), that the player acts like a commanding force, and legion leaders are overseers of members, Wouldn't that make a player "shogun" and a legion leader "emperor"? Last time I checked Japan had nothing to do with this, so that wouldnt make a player a "shogun". Shogun="a hereditary commander-in-chief in feudal Japan"
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:52 am |
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zophah
Joined: Sat May 22, 2010 6:22 pm Posts: 1760 Location: On the bridge of the Vikiera
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Where are you getting your definitions from? (I seriously want to know) I read that a shogun is "a commander of a force" as it was used in Japan, "...the original meaning of "shogun" is simply "a general"" Taken by context and not just by definition however, I was just using comparison instead of strait use of the word. I was using by comparison for my earlier post as well. 
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:07 am |
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SpoonyJank
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 7:20 pm Posts: 1178
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It is clearly several trite names amalgamated into a heaping mess of nonsense. I don't see what needs understanding... I think it needs X's or something though.
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:13 am |
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Cothordin
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:49 am Posts: 2606 Location: Cowland
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Macs have a built in dictionary, I use that. As for comparing, if your talking terminology, you cant use words other then the ones your focusing on. To do otherwise denies the point of arguing terminology. Think of it like algebra, if you change one side you have to make the same change to another. SpoonyJank wrote: It is clearly several trite names amalgamated into a heaping mess of nonsense. I don't see what needs understanding... I think it needs X's or something though. This is what Im thinking is going on
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:16 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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I thought that a state means a self-governing political entity that can be interchangeably with a sovereignty such as country, nation, empire, etc? I would assume that a planet is a self-governing political entity that can be used interchangeably with its galactic empire. I could see the pattern but only bigger..
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:26 am |
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Cothordin
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:49 am Posts: 2606 Location: Cowland
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Nocifer Deathblade wrote: I thought that a state means a self-governing political entity that can be interchangeably with a sovereignty such as country, nation, empire, etc? I would assume that a planet is a self-governing political entity that can be used interchangeably with its galactic empire. I could see the pattern but only bigger.. This definition comes from where?
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:37 am |
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jcwiggens
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:38 am Posts: 920
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TO ALL COMM STATIONS..WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED ON "PROJECT ANARCHY"
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:40 am |
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Nocifer Deathblade
Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 1945
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Cothordin wrote: Nocifer Deathblade wrote: I thought that a state means a self-governing political entity that can be interchangeably with a sovereignty such as country, nation, empire, etc? I would assume that a planet is a self-governing political entity that can be used interchangeably with its galactic empire. I could see the pattern but only bigger.. This definition comes from where? http://geography.about.com/cs/political ... nation.htmRemember.. There is no such thing as known civilization beyond Earth so the terms we know are restricted to Earth with lands.. We don't own any oceanic lands yet (civilizations in the ocean) so no terms for that yet as well. I could see that State term could be expanded once we are advanced enough to live in the ocean and Space using same concept of self-governing political entity as entire planet (instead of cute little piece of land) would do under an empire of many planets. One planet could send out a set of representatives and senates and whatever something new comes up to galactic council to vote for their own planets' benefit just like old and new Republic of the Star Wars does.. Heck, I'm certain that we would just invent new terms when we are advanced enough to live in Space to prevent any confusion of the State definition.. OR we actually invent new kind of political system would require entire new terms to define it to support Space Political System that existing politics wouldn't work well.
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:50 am |
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Cothordin
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:49 am Posts: 2606 Location: Cowland
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Nocifer Deathblade wrote: Cothordin wrote: Nocifer Deathblade wrote: Heck, I'm certain that we would just invent new terms when we are advanced enough to live in Space to prevent any confusion of the State definition.. OR we actually invent new kind of political system would require entire new terms to define it to support Space Political System that existing politics wouldn't work well. Well then why dont you do that instead of beating a dead horse?
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:26 pm |
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PSICore
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:49 pm Posts: 58
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There are legal precedents for sovereignty without Territory, the Order of Malta is one i can think of. Full legal name is: The Sovereign Order of The Knights of Malta. Although no longer a fighting organization, they still exist as a charitable one.
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:31 pm |
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jcwiggens
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:38 am Posts: 920
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Coth what are you like some kind of grammar or English teacher? First its Chris Markey and his....now it's the definition of "state"? It's very clear you understand the idea, so your just going to argue about things such as what "state" means with Mr Wood? It makes no sense at all, to be honest. If you really need a real world example, consider the EU. All separate countries but they also have the Euro as a common currency an they are almost all part of NATO. Or consider the Greatest country in the world, The USA USA USA(Sorry non Americans its just how I feel) states rights are a real thing, and then theres the federal government. We have States, We have Senators , we have votes and we have a federal government. WE ARE THE UNITED STATES OF THE NOVA REPUBLIC!!!!!!! Why you would worry about how we label our group is a little out there, even for you
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:50 pm |
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Igonb
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:14 pm Posts: 124
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Just to continue the thread jacking: Do you consider each of the Nova Legions a state or is each player a state? Personally I would have chosen to use the word alliance or federation, but I do not know the internal political workings of the Nova Legions.
Should I retaliate against all Nova legions when a member of one of the legions attacks me?
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:13 pm |
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jcwiggens
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:38 am Posts: 920
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each legion is its own state(City State). Federation is to much like star trek. Who you Retaliate against is a matter for you to decide
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:29 pm |
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Igonb
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:14 pm Posts: 124
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How the separate legions of Nova ally themselves is what matters. The game rules changed because having one huge oppressive legion was bad for the game overall. If you declare that all of the Nova legions are as one then you are circumventing those game rules. Furthermore if members of my legion are being attacked weekly by members of the Nova legions then is that not a declaration of war against my legion?
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Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:53 pm |
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