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bradinnes
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 4:15 pm Posts: 70
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i was wondering if it is ilegal to build applications to assit my legion as long as they are not interacting with the Galaxy legion server EX: http://ashevillesolarsystems.0sites.org ... CONFIG.phpthe applications sole purpose is to compute the statistics of the targeted ship.... basically it will return the firepower , defense and any other statistic the user can see with out having the user spend some time looking up all the mods that they don't know the value for... to use all you have to do is pick the ship copy data from the targets user name down to the bootom of the ships configuration page and then put it in the box then press submit data and the system will try to compute the rest... i started on building this so i would have something to show for the type of stuff i plan on building to assist my team mates... and if its not legal i will stop the construction of this application and delete the code that runs it.. else i will finish it and secure it so that no one can access it with out permission of MASS EFFECT...
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:23 am |
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Sparky
Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:00 pm Posts: 2419
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yes you shouldn't make this its against the rules
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:33 am |
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bradinnes
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 4:15 pm Posts: 70
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Sparky wrote: yes you shouldn't make this its against the rules Quote: Harvest or collect information about Game players or members without their express consent. that means personal info with out their consent... at least that's what it has meant on every other game i have built apps for...
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:35 am |
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Sparky
Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:00 pm Posts: 2419
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what purpose would this app actually have, you could use spy probes to get the attack and defence of the ships and what use would knowing how many decks a player has ?
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:39 am |
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bradinnes
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 4:15 pm Posts: 70
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Sparky wrote: what purpose would this app actually have, you could use spy probes to get the attack and defence of the ships and what use would knowing how many decks a player has ? i rarely have those things handy and wasting one when i can see the configuration is a waste so if i can see the configuration i would use this app because instead of having to look up the data then keep a running tally of the data i could just plug and chug.. the app look up all the components just like i currently have to do on http://galaxylegion.com/wiki/index.php/Weaponsthen it does the math multiplying and keeping track of things and returning an approximate answer, the answer will always be close but not perfect because i can't find a way to see the ships crew or in other calculations like hull and shield the number of x cells and Durtanium Brackets added, this app just does what a human can do if they had the same information only in like a fraction of a second or less if the database contains all the objects... however if i couldn't see the ships config this app is totally useless because it has no data to work with.. deck math is useful for guesswork, if you know how many decks are used then you know how many decks about that he guy has that can be split between other stuff... ex you can only see the weapons energy and sensors, between them the guy has lets call it 200 decks his ship is a class:Titan you know that means that they have a proximately 750 decks max, so you subtract 200 from 750 and you got the aproximate number of decks left over.. now if you can try to guess the rest of the frame work of his ship, the app can't help you there all it can do is grunt math and when it comes to guessing the less you have to guess the better, in my example you would never be able to come up with the frame work for most of his ship because their is 4 missing types of info all verrying tech and till you engage your still going ot be slightly in the dark about the components other than his estimated attack ratign and scanning rating and energy supply...
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:46 am |
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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 8964
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No offense, because I like your initiative, but you're talking about a LOT of work for an EXTREMELY inaccurate result. Rule breaker or not, just isn't worth it.
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:30 am |
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bradinnes
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 4:15 pm Posts: 70
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Darth Flagitious wrote: No offense, because I like your initiative, but you're talking about a LOT of work for an EXTREMELY inaccurate result. Rule breaker or not, just isn't worth it. the accuracy is right now extremely limited because i have not created all the objects in the program database and assigned them the proper values... its end game accuracy will be ball park at best and that's fine with me because its the best i can calculate with the same information... i am really using this experience to practice my programing skills in a new language for me and am trying to help my comrades at the same time...
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:45 am |
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Lone.Lycan
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:44 am Posts: 3751
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Bradinnes... you may want to cease and desist before you get yourself in trouble.... 3. Code of Conduct. While using the Game or Materials, you agree not to: - Use any robot, spider, Game search/retrieval application or other manual or automatic device or process to retrieve, index, "data mine" or in any way reproduce or circumvent the navigational structure or presentation of the Game or its contents
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:08 am |
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FuriousRage
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:12 pm Posts: 909
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According to the ToS, its against the rules to even note down any game related info in notepad!
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:36 am |
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bradinnes
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 4:15 pm Posts: 70
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Hi Brad,
A simple 'calculator' should be ok. Many equations in the game are known now, and making a form-based calculator using those is fine.
Note that you are not allowed to save/archive any of the player information placed in your calculator.
//Dan
that's the official answer from dan... so hi ho its off to work i go...
i might give a copy to the wiki people when i finish because its just a calculator...
(link will be active till all testing is finished then i will remove it and link the application with mass effects blog/forum)
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:16 pm |
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kevin.devine
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:19 pm Posts: 27
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So would a ship-building application be breaking the ToS? Or a planet database, or a personal player tracker that compiled your planets, current research and other game-related information break the ToS? It wouldn't harvest this information directly from the game or use any game-related images, all of it would be entered by the user. Would this be breaking the ToS? I'm a bit confused as to the nature of the line "Note that you are not allowed to save/archive any of the player information placed in your calculator." Does that mean I cannot have a list of enemies anywhere?
I am pretty sure the reasoning behind the line in the ToS was to prevent auto-player scripts from being used to play the game for you.
I am working on a ship-builder application that I can use to better manage my ship configurations so I don't suddenly run out of money mid-config.
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Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:25 pm |
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FuriousRage
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:12 pm Posts: 909
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kevin.devine wrote: So would a ship-building application be breaking the ToS? Or a planet database, or a personal player tracker that compiled your planets, current research and other game-related information break the ToS? It wouldn't harvest this information directly from the game or use any game-related images, all of it would be entered by the user. Would this be breaking the ToS? I'm a bit confused as to the nature of the line "Note that you are not allowed to save/archive any of the player information placed in your calculator." Does that mean I cannot have a list of enemies anywhere?
I am pretty sure the reasoning behind the line in the ToS was to prevent auto-player scripts from being used to play the game for you.
I am working on a ship-builder application that I can use to better manage my ship configurations so I don't suddenly run out of money mid-config. http://galaxylegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9749&start=0&hilit=Terms 3. Code of Conduct. wrote:
Use any robot, spider, Game search/retrieval application or other manual or automatic device or process to retrieve, index, "data mine" or in any way reproduce or circumvent the navigational structure or presentation of the Game or its contents;
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Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:16 pm |
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