Again I'm not sure what this means, I'm not sure why we would need help with lower levels? If you mean that we help lower levels...We are not affiliated with DOO alot of them are however still friends so we will help them out from time to time. That is on an individual basis between people and has no affiliation with the legions themselves. The help itself usually has nothing to do with killing anyone or the like, at least to my knowledge.

I'm pretty sure you aren't the exception because of the reasons you stated, I'm pretty sure it's because you insist on perpetuating the issue until the end of time. I'm not really sure why it's a challenge, poking big players and then getting mauled doesn't seem challenging at all. If you would have let the issue die long ago I'm sure it would be just that, dead. But you feel some need to portray yourself as some under represented minority that's just getting picked on for no reason and that just isn't the case.

I once new a girl who everywhere she went she got into a fist fight, this went on for years, she just couldn't understand why she would keep running into these type of people. It never once occurred to her that everyone else wasn't the problem, she was.

From what I understand...

Dysonians combat rules:

1. If a Dysonian attacks someone first (being the aggressor), the Dysonian is on his own.

2. If someone attacks a Dysonian first (Dysonian being defender), then its open season and the Dysonian can call for help.

So with RiverSI, he attacked RogueForce's Exotic and conquered it. Rogue didn't attack RIverSI first. Rogue was the defender, therefore falls under rule #2 stated above. Therefore the legion is helping him get his Exotic back.

However, if the roles were reversed- Rogue attacking RiverSI first, then this would fall under rule #1, and thus, no mass legion attacks and war.

What is so difficult about all this for people to understand?

I don't understand because I am an exception to the rule because I retaliate against people that attack me... which is exactly what they say they do. After being an exception for a month or two and only having 3 kills to my name I made the 300 people attacking me an exception. Still not exactly a fair fight but oh well, no going back. At least not back then.

It is justified bullying if even one person doesn't follow the rules of an organization and anyone ever fighting that person chooses to fight back... There is more than one person.

It also presumes that RogueForce has never attacked RiverSI... or ANYONE in ANY group that has ANY similar rule system at a point in time that is ENTIRELY subjective. It is a system conducive to "justified" agression in any instance where there is a similar system.

Basically it is a system for people that want to PVP and feel good about it. Since I know not everyone is stupid to notice the inherent idiocy of such a system, I pretty much consider it a PR ploy.

Per our legion rules were not really an aggressive Legion when in comes to PVP. Remember were much into the NPC farming stuff. but yesterday Noci Decided to declare war on the very 1st post on this thread.

I dont know if Spoony read the very 1st post but at the bottom part it says:



With the new battle system if you did not attack Nocifier yesterday night he would have not been able to share you with the legion.

This whole thread makes me laugh.. Sorry, I was away from computer most of the time due to personal reason.

Legion rule that I set up is only for peace-time state.. Legion vs Legion War.. Rules do not exist because we never had the war before.. Like I said in first post, no-hold barren. That means all-out war where rules are nothing.. Yet, people here are preaching the fairness of the rules.. It is exactly like having British troops to preach the rule of engagement to indians that they must line up like British in face of volley of fire just to exchange bullets.. Indians weren't dumb enough so they ignored the rules of engagement. War is never fair. Live with it.. Don't tell me the rule of fairness.. Suck it up and live though the war as best as you can..

FYI, the decision of the war is entirely on my own. Blame everything ON me not on any Dysonians.. They merely are following my orders. Some even wanted to stay out and it's no problem simply cuz PVP is optional. They won't be judged if they don't want to be involved.. You can call me names, bully, evil, etc.. Guess what? I don't give a friggin' damn about it.. War is real.

I had been looking for opportunity for legion vs legion war for a month lately and I saw this as best opportunity to start one thanks to increased friction between two legions: Dysonians and GDs thanks to planet thieves. I don't start wars with no reason. The loss of the exotic planet is a perfect catalyst for me to start the war where the friction is at the peak. I also want to see how well our legion goes in the state of war so I view this war as a drill to shoot at practice targets: GDs. I chose GD to declare simply cuz they are 2nd most powerful legion in Galaxy that will present best challenge to us. I wouldn't want to declare war on insignificant, weakest legion cuz it's just cheap and one single Dysonian can "destroy" weak legion that can cause the collapse of the legion.. I wanted full, coordinated legion effort so GD is the best choice.. It also helps us to see any more flaws of the legion wars and hopefully can make suggestions to improve the system. We were too busy fighting NPCs for long time but with continued poking from a legion repeatly over time including some hard pokes such as loss of Exotic or something equivalent is bound to waken the sleeping giant for PVP environment.. So that legion who poked the hardest gets the greetings from wide-awaken giant first. Congratulation for receiving the great honor for being first legion to spar with the giant.. This will give giant a nice fresh experience after long NPC slayings..

I knew that fighting against RiveSI will not even work due to badly nerfed crit-hack that we will never able to get exotic planet back for good and he knew that he can easily weather through til his restriction maxes out by playing dead so he went ahead and took the planet without any fear.. He thought only for himself. So, I force the whole thing down on his own legion instead of himself. Legion war would never happen if crit-hack never been nerfed and we can easily focus on RiverSI to hack off planets then get it back without dragging the legion into the conflict.. I was able to take planets back before from enemies to give to my Dysonians as wingman via hacking but now I can't.. Only way to get a comparable planet back is just to hack LOT Of members where there are lot of available hacks combined for us to hack to increase our chance of capturing Exotic planet. Blame on Dan for making hack harder and I merely act on the best strategic path based on current PVP system: Legion war.

I launched the legion war at 11 pm EST and we caused lot of GD deaths including hacks and raids in next 3 hours with no casualties on our side. GD called us unfair.. Guess what? A smart tactician always choose weakest point and hit it hardest. That's my style of war. It's just like Japaneses bombed Pearl Harbor during Sunday where there are lowest alert level. I knew that GD after 11 pm is their lowest alert level so we used our element of surprise to start off the war.. It's common sense really.. Then next 24 hours, we continued to cause more GD deaths, hacked, and raided and we did had few deaths on our side. Crit-hacks are badly nerfed and I don't think we hacked any planets off any GD players yet. That will definitely prolong the war length well beyond 48th hour that I originally predicted based on old crit-hack %.. Now I know that % had dropped a lot so the war duration estimation had increased to achieve our mission: 1 exotic planet at least.

About wingman policy, I am thinking of abolishing it due to the latest changes in PVP especially traps and restrictions.. New traps mechanicism and restrictions now favors defenders where 1 or 50 rains on defenders won't make any difference at all. So wingman idea becomes moot point plus lot of non-dysonians players are now getting in high rank area so that's good. Of course, wingman policy do not apply to Legion Wars AT all.

Spoony.. Your reputation had established yourself as victim punchbag where everyone even non-Dysonians used to punch you for sports. Even wingman policy doesn't even apply to you simply cuz people are having SO much fun playing with you. You are darn fun victim of the Galaxy.. Really.. You gave most of us lot of entertainment. I hope it stays that way. You jumped into the conflict that you were supposed to stay out by attacking me so I was happy to share alert of you because I knew that SO many Dysonians really want to eat your balls for lunch so I threw your balls at them so they can be satisfied. You asked for it. I knew that you LOVE attention and casted yourself as victim so I provided you the attention while giving my friends the entertainment. Win-win situation on both sides. Heck, I warned any non-GDs to stay out cuz we only focus on GDs, you poked your neck into our conflict first thing that I actually EXPECTED that you would and that is what you get from us. Enjoy your continued beatings from us.. Have fun playing victim as always..

Edit: Gee.. Now since we are in 24th hour, we resumed our NPC farmings WHILE fighting GDs at the same time.. You are impressive, Dysonians.

oh it was actually fun. I've only been disabled once while I was asleep and have disabled 6 or more dysonians. I hacked krauzen 25 times and raided quite a bit too. Of course I got max-raided when I slept, but that isn't really a big deal. I forgot to install extra scanners before I went to bed so there were like 15 hacks on me. My main goal was to be a diversion, draw notifications and get a lot of people halcyoned and firewalled and make people waste energy and artifacts so GD might be slightly less ass-banged in their sleep. I didn't think I would actually give out more hacks raids and disables than I received on every front.

I was mostly talking about the past in terms of all the the rule stuff. I think you should just abolish a lot if not all the rules you guys have. The rules you have are conducive to singling people out and they make you guys look like hypocrites and people look stupid when they complain about them in the cry-baby fashion. That and I doubt everyone follows them.


edit: 8 dysonian kills and 1 death now. GD must lack some serious spirit. When I run out of traps I will have to leave myself disabled for 2 days so the victory will feel rather empty though. I told my legion to cloak yesterday while I run around shooting missiles like a chicken with it's head cut off. I can kind of see why a legion as a whole might want to or be instructed to role over and die. A war on TDS because of some nearly inconseqential attacks of mine would be lame for most in my legion.

O Noc covered Spoony so I have to say something about this Gamielel guy. Where did you come from?? Who are you and what the heck are you talking about? You come out of no where talking like you are big stuff and can just say these things about the highest ranking legion in the game and it was just ok. Trying to use the old bullies on the school ground against us. The wing man thing only comes out when a rank 300 attacks one of our rank 180's or something so it would be like another 6th grader picking on you little bro who is in 4th grade. You would stick up for him. Also yes there are a few worlds in the game that are worth much much more than others Exotics and Dyson's are at the top of this category. If anyone takes one of these worlds from us they will be destroyed over and over till we get it back or a world worth it in return. Now back when Paul, I guess it was, took one of their worlds, they had all the right in the world to attack him for it and we would of stayed out of it because that would of been all him. Now if they would of said to get back at him they would attack the rest of his legion then we would attack back and help out. We would not just let them hit us because he took their world.

I also find this whole thing really funny. Just because we set up some guidelines for us to follow to help make the game fair for everyone you guys have to take it all in and call us out everytime we do something "wrong". Maybe we should of just said hey galaxy we are here and there is nothing you can do about it. It would of been easy'r for us in the long run I would think but how fair would that be. We do follow our rules most of the time with a slip here and there and you guys calling us out on it is just pathetic. Who ever said we will stick with these no matter what. Besides that what are you going to do about it? Call us unfair and cheats? Go for it you all ready have so why should we care? I have fought many battles one on many. I have taken who legions by my self before and I know many of our members have too. So don't say its unfair. If you don't like it then don't bother us or put dumb comments on our comms. We do not need to explain our selfs. Just like Kaos and PSI really don't. They can destroy who ever they like and not say a word about it just because they can. I never see anyone posting anything here about them.

This is a war between us and GD they have been given the terms and that is the way it is going to be. Sorry but if you don't like it then stay out of our way and don't edge us on. There is blood in the water and we have tasted how fun a full scale war can be. Many of us may look for one vs. whole legion wars after this because most of us do enjoy it. I really don't see what right you guys have to question what we do. If you can stop us then shut up and do it if not then get over it and wait to get pounded for all the stupid comments you have made against us. I have played a game where the highest ranking alliance in the game was full of the highest ranking players as well and they had no mercy. They would crush any and everyone they could just because they could. They never said anything about it and anyone who said something back to them was farmed till they quit the game. Their saying was if you where not good enough to be in their alliance you where not worthy of playing the game at all. Now who thinks we are like that. That is what you guys are putting us up as. We are not monsters we do not just gain up on a small fry for nothing but to boost our stats like many others do. We normally stick to NPC fighting unless we see a good world that we want to take or if we are attacked first in any way. That includes mean or rude messages on our comms and I would even go as far to say some times if they are bad enough even your comments on the forums here. So think twice before you go on saying things like this.

Lol. This is darn fun! Love all teamwork of The Dysonians that allows my actions from low 20's from farming kill list players shot up over 70's in one day against GD players killing, raiding, and hacking lot of high ranked players with Baltar thrown in.. Dysonians ROCK! They listen to instructions very well. Lot of them had their actions going up as well..

Dont worry Spoon were not interested with TDS people.. you got targeted because of the missile strike on NOCI.. right now we just want Desperado heads to roll... 0,0,0 seems to be a good decor on their ships. and shows a picture on how well we are doing on our war against them.

I thought your rules were put in place because you recognized that bullying other players until they left the game was bad for the game as a hole. To get around the action limits on a player that were added to prevent the bullying you decide to go after that players legion.

You say that if one of your members take a planet from another legion it is ok for that legion to attack that one player back, but they should not attack any other Dysonian.
When one player takes a planet from a Dysonian then you attack all of there members even if they had nothing to do with taking the planet.

You obviously think it is ok for your legion to take a planet from an individual that did nothing to your group, whether it is in retaliation to that persons legion or just because they feel like it. So why make such a big deal about it because someone from a another legion does the same thing.

This is a war game, invasion attacking and war are part of the game. If you want to "win" the game just go ahead and drive all the other players out of the game and declare yourself the winner. If you want a fair legion war then split your legion in half and start fighting each other. I think the thing that upsets most of the people on the board is that you pretend not to be bulling.

Before you get upset about me using the word bullying lets agree on a definition:
Bullying is a form of abuse. It involves repeated acts over time attempting to create or enforce one person's (or group's) power over another person (or group) , thus an "imbalance of power".[2] The "imbalance of power" may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a target. Bullying types of behavior are often rooted in a would-be bully's inability to empathize with those whom he or she would target.

I think the "enforce one groups power over another" applies to this situation.

Edit: I really should not be posting this late.

Is the definition of bulling the same as bullying? LOL. It is bullying, but theres not much even they can do about it. They are either going to be hypocrite bullies and use rules or be complete a-hole bullies without rules. Gameplay-wise I would prefer the first but socially I would prefer the second. They are insanely powerful and that is just how things are going to be. If they don't PVP, it is almost a single player game and as many have said "this isn't farmville".

It would be ideal for everyone, maybe even them included, if they split up a little bit somehow. They would probably have more fun at least trying to run a legion or something and having more competition. I'm not saying it would ever happen though. Hunting NPCs is what keeps any group ahead and PVP is basically the more fun part of the game IMO but it will make a legion fall down in rank over time. At those really high levels NPC hunting is basically most of what the game has left to offer and it has an almost exponential benefit and engaging in any PVP makes you a bully by default, which is kind of retard. I just think it is wrong of the game to encourage nearly all of the higher levels to huddle together.

Igonb says:

lol

No matter what you say spoony, you're still always wrong. It's fun all the time, even when we have killed the npcs a ton. Dan has to be given credit though, he has kept things fresh by adding new content. The other thing is, most of us are together because we are friends, it isn't purely a gathering of strong players. I think Galaxy Desperados is more along the lines of people just binding together for power. We talked to some of them recently and they don't even know who half the people are in their legion, they didn't even realize the people we were talking about were with them lol.

On a side note, stated by Igonb "this is a war game" I don't believe that. The game currently has enough facets that it doesn't have to be placed into a specific category, and i'm glad for that, it keeps the game interesting.

I don't even get why you guys are arguing this. IT's very well known taking another players planet, especially an exotic or dyson, is more than enough reason for the entire legion to go to war against the offenders ENTIRE LEGION, if for no other reason to pressure the legion to pressure the member to give it back. Many of you arguing this have stated this before in other posts. RiverSi stole an exotic. That right there would have put my entire legion in the war if someone did it to us, which a legion did just a short while back, and yes our entire legion went to war over it and invaded and took planets from several of their legion members.

pffft, no, I'm always right. LOL. The entire game is riddled with "too many chiefs not enough indians". The people that only had 2 friends playing GL probably don't even see the benefit in having a legion. DOO made it difficult for any other groups to exist before a lot of the updates just by the sheer fact of the game mechanics at that point. That wasnt really the main reason though. They were the only active group for a very long time and probably had 90% of what one might call "highly active" players already. Active players will seek out the active group of peers by default It would seem and the Dysonians were mostly cherry picked from them. Now there is nothing left to do in the game for half of them except to hunt NPCs and PVP. The lower half of their group has ridiculous access to NPCs.

A month ago I was nearly tied with someone in terms of how many decks we had and what level we were. I do basically everything I can except pay money in order to get decks. Now we are still roughly the same level but he has 300 more decks than me. There are only 300-400 people in this entire game in a stronger legion than the one I run. I have tried to focus it on NPCs almost since it was created. It has been months and there are still only 10 of us that can even see a graxis and we don't have tons of people handing us lazuli titans to increase our decks because they have more decks than they even want. My first Graxis I was like "oh awesome". Then it turned out, for it to not take up a space on the battle tab for three days I would have to spend 6000 energy, get debuffed hundreds of times and thanks to the awesome xp bonus, it had less than a 2x XP return. As much of a curse as it is for most people that can see it, it might be that beneficial for the 0.5% or less of people in the game in a legion more powerful than my own and it has been that way for months and months. And it is obviously not only about graxis. It is a game balance issue. For my group to catch up with the dysons in level alone it would cost a total of about $10,000 and there is literally no other way thanks to imbalances in the NPC system. to go from a 99th percentile group to the top group, where the benefits more fully reside would cost $10k or more. That is like telling people to just give up and I don't blame the dysonians themselves except for the fact that they call people crybaby's for complaining about the aspects of the game that benefit them too much.

If you really want to know why I have a distaste for most of what came out of DOO you can search the forums. The reasons are rather justified and I'm not going to take the time to explain it.

ohh wow... u ever think that this is a bit excessive?

he paid a few thousands dollars for it. let him enjoy please
As always he couldn't keep it for himself he had to post proudly on this forum.

Last time I checked you were at 45,47,48. I'm guessing you've only been disabled and raided once. So, I'm curious as to what kind of formula it works on.

At least this war gave me a chance to test out my small ship's pvp capabilities. I went after Mojo and Nocifer because they were the 2 toughest. It was actually easier than I thought it would be once I got past the traps (Nocifer has a tough ship but it's more the intimidation factor which keeps him safe).

Every time I disable, raid or hack, the actions left goes up one for disable, one for raid and one for hack. So for my 1 offensive action, I can get hit 3 additional times. It makes it impractical to counter-attack when I'm getting attacked by 10 people.

I want to give props to Zhorgul for his handling of the war effort. I just wish GD had more active players.

Ya with the counter if you where to kill someone your counter goes up by one but if you are not disabled, raided, or hacked in 24 hours it goes back down by one. Now if you are below three then once every 24 hours it goes up by one till it meets the 3,5,5 stats. You are also right about the fact that once the traps are down it is a bit easier to get them but that is the case for everyone. Just a matter if you have to repair and how often and things like that. Also out of your whole legion you and Zhorgul are the most fun. You are both active and online and paying attention which is saying something when all of a sudden you are being attacked by 3 to 4 players at once. lol Keep it up it makes it just that more fun if you ask me.

I want to say a big congratulations to Frail for the honor to disable me. I finally got disabled for first time in 6 months (sans LaRaine, the tiny scout). I grinned when I logged in from my night sleep. I viewed it as victory. I practically begged for death but I won't die easy way. I wanted to die like a warrior so Frail shot me down like warriors are supposed to. He earned my respect. But that doesn't stop me from fighting him cuz we are still in state of war, however.. Good going, warrior... I was kinda surprised that I was only raided once (By Zhorgul) while disabled for 4 hours even though I had 50+ raid restriction..

@Hunter.. There is nothing excessive during any wars.. I was curious how high I could go. I notice that it gets harder to increase as numbers get bigger especially after 70.. War gives me nice excuse to boost my PVP stats up that I neglected in last 2 months heh and also gives me nice excuse to fight tough, high-ranked ships for a change after farming top killers..

One thing I noticed is that I think crit-hack got nerfed to oblivion. I hacked over 30 times and I haven't even gotten any crit-hack. Lot of Dysonians did the same way and got no crit-hack for planets.. That will encourage legion wars without fear of losing planets now other than conventional scanning. I guess that's positive in a way..

Few thousand dollars? Lol.. It's much less.. Constant NPC farming does WONDERS to my ship power plus high AP production. Lot of Dysonians got their ship power up faster than non-Dysonians without spending any cents.. I spent $50 each month in last several months anyway and my ship had gotten so much bigger in last few months all thanks to sick NPCs... I spent only to invest in planet enchantments so far.. Many times when new player joined in our legion, they all said, "OMG! I sure rank up much faster!! I get stronger much faster than before the membership!! THANK YOU!" I get that many times..

Wow mojo... first let me start by telling you who I am.

I am a rank 83 who has paid a lot of attention to the goings on but mostly kept to myself. I cannot play every single day due to work and family but I do the best I can. I am 26 been in the military for 8 years and am about to go recruiting. I enjoy sitting down to a few beers and a keg stand or two. I really like a tequila called conquistadors I had while in Bahrain.

Now that you know who I am, let me get this straight. I posted twice, maybe three times, I cant remember and am too lazy to look. You felt that you had to respond with a self righteous 3 paragraph post because I called you guys bullies. Wow. I am quite honored that you were that threatened from my opinions. Truly, it did surprise me, as you seem to be one of the most level headed of the bunch that posts on these forums.

Lets look at this and use a analogy or two from real life other than 6th graders because obviously you are a college student. Who still picks on 1st graders... whatever lets see how I can explain this in a way that may make more sense.
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When you have a team who has players that can beat a team all on their own play against other teams, what do you call it? When its High School or the traveling teams, its called stacking the team. There are rules against it.

When you play a game, like World of Warcraft. You may have lots of skill on top of another team, however the makeup of your team helps balance the playing field to quite a narrow margin. Otherwise, if you can get a team together that can never lose, your just a hacker.
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I understand the want to be the best, however, proving that by doing something like this is just showing off the worst part of each of you. If you can take a whole legion alone, then do it. I wouldn't doubt that you would be able to hold your own against them by yourself quite well. Having a full 50 of you that could each take 10 of them would mean there would have to be 500 in that legion to be able to stem the tide.

Its always fun when you are on the side that is stronger, its always fun to win. What you guys don't realize is that what you are doing actually makes the game LESS fun for those on the receiving end. If your goal is to run people off the game, keep at it. I know I will never catch up to you... not because the game doesn't allow it, but because you guys exploit the mechanics of the game to such a degree that there will never be a chance of anyone doing what you do nearly as well as you.

Congratulations, you won the game. If y'all never said you would be fair, most of us wouldn't care. However, you guys are the ones that said you would fight with both your hands tied behind your backs. Now that you aren't, you cannot get mad at us for calling you out on it.