We have our policies which are well known to all and we do follow them. You did indeed start this, if you wanted to go after Paul we wouldn't have stopped you. Instead your legion (allegedly) went after whatever of our members they could because of Paul's actions. This will not be tolerated. You start messing with members that had nothing to do with it and there will be consequences.




If you poke a sleeping bear with a stick enough times, you get eaten.

Like the wingman policy you guys used to have? Here's a pic of that at work from a long time ago



I think you guys would be so useful if you could come up with suggestions that helped fix the game FOR EVERYONE instead of being the first to exploit certain loopholes before they are fixed. In other words, it is a beta, try to fix the game, not break it.

The wingman policy is fairly new, so if that is from a long time ago, it was probably before it started I'm also not sure what the picture is of, who it is, or what the circumstances were. I also have no idea what you are talking about every time you talk about these loopholes that are supposedly exploited.

As far as suggestions go, I would like to think we offer a great many suggestions to Dan, which has lead to beneficial changes for everyone. Any loophole or exploit we have found is reported right away. I think you are completely out of line with your comments. You can be angry and bitter all you like, just stop making stuff up.

This is pretty funny considering Zhorgul is one of the main instigators of the war. If this was my leader, I would be pretty angry and concerned for my future:P

The pic is from the 11-1-10. I think I used an artifact on Krauzen or something.

leaving tabs open to get around the limits of the ship log seems like the most obvious loophole thats been used against me. I'll try to think of more blatant examples.

Half of the suggestions they make only apply to obscenely high levels and/or a group of only the highest levels and it is either something to give them an advantage or if it is an actual loophole, the term is usually subjective and it takes long enough to "fix" that they are some of the only people that ever get access to it. Anything advantageous for higher levels is deemed a loophole just in time for it to only benefit a few people and everyone in the game (99% of players) loses access to it at some future date.

Isn't that the case with any game though? the first to find the loophole are the only ones to experience it. Isn't that realistically the best case scenario? And no one to my knowledge blatantly takes advantage of any bugs we find. I'm not sure what you mean by leaving the log open, but clearly you did something that allowed a legion alert to pop up. I know Mojo wouldn't have found you in his battle tab at level 191, so they wouldn't have need to look for you.

As for suggestions, I don't think a lot of what we have suggested has even been based on levels. Sure some of it is, but that still benefits everyone. In time everyone will reach whatever level it was that seemed "obscenely high" as you put it. Most of the suggestions come about the same as they do for everyone else, you find something annoying, you want to see it improved so you come up with an idea for it.

Hmm? What are your policies exactly? I have no idea what they are, or if you are following them or not.

Are you saying that if Paul didn't steal my exotic first, it would have been fine to take Jody's?? All I know is at least some in YOUR legion do not hesitate to steal high value planets from other legions. To claim some kind of moral high ground in going to war over somebody doing the same to you is ridiculous. You want to wage war over it? Ok fine, it's a war game. Just don't act like Dysonians are somehow the innocent victims here. It seems to me that what is really going on is you want a war, and this is a great excuse.

You shouldn't say you don't know something then accuse us based on something you don't know lol. Anyone in the legion is allowed to attack whom ever they want at anytime, however if they do, they are on their own. Each individual is responsible for their own actions, and the consequences that result from it.

Paul took a planet, therefore Paul is on his own if anyone retaliates. End of story. However if someone is attacked and they are not the aggressor then the legion is here to back them up. Such is the case with Zhorgul and riverSI.

So lemme get this straight, as long as you are the biggest kid on the block you can steal anyones lunch money? As long as you dont let the third graders actually work together to stop you... you big bad 6th grader.

1vs1 is ok as long as you win, 1vs5 again as long as you win its ok.

5vs1 where you lose you cry foul and then all of the 6th graders beat up the elementary school kids? Sounds to me like bullies honestly.

How far back does "starting it" go? That is the stupidest justification I have ever heard of. One time my dad slapped me upside the head when I was 12, but I'm not about to go all menendez brothers on him years later... or my mother, who is clearly guilty by association.

The answer is that it goes back as far as you want for whatever makes you feel good about yourself and you can never be wrong. It is completely idiotic. That pic I posted resulted from me shooting a missile at krauzen... take a wild guess who I think may have "started it".

That's because you clearly have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader, or you are just changing the situation to suit what you want to see, I'll let you decide which it is. Someone can beat you up, take your planet and they are on their own. If you get your whole legion after that person, they are still on their own.

I have no idea what you are talking about and I don't see where you are quoting "starting it" from.

So why then if they are on their own is the whole legion going after them for ONE, count it, <-------- UNO exotic. Unless there is something else going on that Noc hasnt spoken about.

Since there is no sharing a planet between legion mates, and since only one person can lose the planet... why is the whole legion going to war over ONE players loss?


That is what I dont understand. 3rd grade reading comprehension hasnt been a problem since I was 6 but whatever... try to make it sound like I am stupid for calling out someone's bs. Especially if it makes you feel better.

I am not accusing you of anything other than hypocrisy. By your own logic, RiverSi took a planet, you're all free to retaliate against that individual. That's part of the game. So is going to war over it, if that's what you want. Whatever, It's not like we can win, but we won't back down or surrender either, so you get to puff up your chest and talk about how you kicked another legion's ass which is what I think you really want.

All I'm saying is call it what it is, a war, and don't claim righteous vengeance as if you were innocent.

By the way, from the original post when Noc created the legion

Requirement for Membership
We will only accept players of 150 ranks or up. Each player who applies will be interviewed for admission by me and/or officers for their goal and plans to see. PVP is an optional but not required. Each member should be able to handle their own fights without requiring Dysonians unless NEEDED if it threatens the legion as a whole. If you are interested, sign up and I'll talk to you.

With the caveat added later that you guys get a wingman. So... if you plus a wingman equals two people.... then again the whole legion going to war because some little 2nd graders made one of you look vulnerable again shows you are bullies. 2 6th graders shouldve been able to take care of it.

I suppose by "starting it" I would mean attacking someone. You're one to talk about reading comprehension. Retribution is not allowed or you can notify on us, according to your rules, which I don't care about and don't get followed anyways. The time scale that determines whether one of your opponents is allowed to defend themselves or maybe even get revenge, is totally subjective. See, I don't care that you guys have your retarded little rules and are the only ones capable of enforcing them, it is that you actually believe in it.

I've been mass-attacked by a dysonian going beyond 2 days of a ship log because they had a browser tab open with me in it. The second I use an artifact on them they seem to notify me even though they are 150 or so levels higher than me.

There are two or three people who do receive special attention spoony:P So you can sleep better knowing you got the attention you so desperately desire. Comprehension is not the issue, simply you clarifying exactly what you mean so there can be no doubts.



As I stated previously, it was more than one planet and in the same day at that. Noc only mentioned one in his post, he has been dealing with family in the hospital lately and he hasn't been here to see most of what has been going on first hand. As for the war itself, we have no rules concerning it, this is the first time and it's up to Noc to decide how he feels about it.

Spoony is right about one thing, I'm sure most people don't care about the rules we set for ourselves, and yes we are the only ones who can enforce them. But as a legion we all have different play styles and interests in the game, those rules help accommodate everyone but still prevent bullying.

I don't really care what you think, most of you that post here have no intention of seeing anything but anger when it comes to our legion so I don't presume to change your feelings about it. Nevertheless we do our best to not run around stepping on everyones toes but toes do occasionally get chopped off:P.

OK. I get special attention for trying to fight back against people stronger than me. Your rules are hypocritical and nobody follows them anyways. It sounds like we are in agreement.

As far as I know you are one of those special cases:P Your disagreement goes beyond the forming of the legion into DOO days if I recall. You refuse to do anything but bash and attack, so honestly, no one cares about you. The rules are upheld for everyone else. You seem to be a relentless masochist, so the time has long since passed where anyone wants to try and deal with you like a normal human being. Cyberatheist is the only other nutjob that comes to mind that no one cares what happens too.

Yeah being on the DOO hitlist had me at 150 deaths and 3 kills when I was level 70 or something. I didn't talk a whole lot of trash, I just got fed up eventually and actually fought back. The hundreds of people in DOO were even worse about "rules". I remember the time I got hacked hundreds of times a day for merely coming up with an idea about hacking and everyone would just keep bouncing my name around because once upon a time I hacked krauzen when I was a level 30. Anyways, thats all history and you guys are supposedly unaffilliated with NOVA. You guys profess to not need help with lower levels but I have never in my life seen any evidence of that.

I'm an exception because someone very high up couldn't handle vengeance only being a hundred-fold on someone hundreds of levels lower who had no possibility of getting off anyones logs or fighting back in any way. I've been on everyones shitlist for months and months probably for pointing out who is a multi and who isn't probably. Not that anything could ever come of it. If I have 20 people on my log for every action I take, I can't fight all of them at once, so yes, I pick a few to fight and destroy. The next time I get notified that person jumps on the bandwagon that thinks it is so righteous to constantly attack me. The entire concept of rules for a legion is just crap. I realize that would just turn a lot of people into giant lawn mowers if they ever thought I was correct, but I really don't care. It wouldn't make any difference for me anyways.

You can call it masochism if you want. Some people enjoy a challenge in games. It is much more fun than farming NPCs, though the returns are utter crap.

I can't help it when idiots like cyberatheist and integrityseeks happen to agree with me, it just happens sometimes.