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dannic
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:55 pm Posts: 104
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Yes, I'll probably get pilloried for this one too.
How about allowing players the ability to block other players from seeing their elites that they alert?
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:14 pm |
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Pongoloid
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:54 am Posts: 988
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-1 Seems rather passive aggressive. Why are you letting people into your legion who you wouldn't trust with your NPCs? 
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:18 pm |
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Peticks
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:44 pm Posts: 1997 Location: Causing chaos somewhere
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because they want to have open recruitment without the downside of people being able to jump in and hit their alerts then jump out.
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:19 pm |
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Pongoloid
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:54 am Posts: 988
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If people are actually missing out on NPCs due to strangers popping in and killing them, they aren't NPCing enough.
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:28 pm |
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dannic
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:55 pm Posts: 104
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Jump to conclusions. You assume many things based on an image in a signature.
Truthfully i'd like to keep those who pvp and do nothing to contribute to the elite population from hitting the elites I alert.
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:37 pm |
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juiceman
Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:17 pm Posts: 2224
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im semi neutral leaning towards -1. the idea of a legion is that people there share stuff...just because one guy pvps a lot, or mostly collects or whatever...if you dont like them, kick them......i mean whats next, no base shares? cant see planets i alert?
This seems selfish in nature, and/or passive aggressive. I totally get that some people leech in legions and it sucks, and you want them to suffer. Yes suffer. Some manner of punishment that politeness keeps from being said directly to them. I have called out people in my legion for sucking. It didn't matter, but it made me feel good---for a while. You just kind of have to live with people getting benefits you don't think they are due. Every legions kills bases and smaller ships ride the coat tails, same with base arti shares, free planet shares, artis, etc.
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:53 pm |
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Pongoloid
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:54 am Posts: 988
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Quote: Truthfully i'd like to keep those who pvp and do nothing to contribute to the elite population from hitting the elites I alert. I totally get your frustration with that, but I think it's less a "game mechanic" issue than a "legion culture/management" issue. Slow rankers who who never have the time or energy to do anything helpful for the legion as a whole (LMs, bases, planet depopping, etc.), yet are miraculously online with just enough charge to hit every Fab that is alerted are a problem in every legion that allows that behavior. The only way to solve it is to be clear about your expectations of teamwork, and firm in booting people who don't live up to those expectations. Game mechanics don't matter cause Leeches are leeches -- they'll just find another way to aggravate you soon enough 
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:54 pm |
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dannic
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:55 pm Posts: 104
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no... i'm good with people who make an attempt. It is the ones who are really blatant about it who irk me. Yes, it is a bit selfish to want to help those who want to npc. If I didn't care so much about it I wouldn't have moved legions. But it is also a bit selfish of those who want to leech of of others efforts. Which is the worst? I cannot do anything about them other than complain. I'd rather just be able to block them and let those who want to npc reap the rewards of npcing. What is so wrong with that?
A lot of things are "game mechanics" yet they are frequently discussed as a suggestion and lauded if they increase someones production.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:02 am |
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juiceman
Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:17 pm Posts: 2224
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i think we totally feel ya bro...and totally agree people who suck shouldnt get the benefits...but imho the mechanics to block them are so not worth the time to develop and so go against the precept of being in a legion.. Like being married, holding a job, etc...take the good with the bad and correct what you can.
As you said, if the bad is too much, change legions. But i can tell you every legion will have some level of what you describe. Would hosing down the worthless...or relatively less useful players reward people...maybe...but when those players quit and your legion % bonuses drop..who really loses? You have to feed the masses to be king. You have to have a kingdom to rule to dole out treasure.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:05 am |
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pokerman123
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:19 am Posts: 852
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if you do not want your legion mates to see the elites then why npc and why alert it to start with
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:20 am |
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dannic
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:55 pm Posts: 104
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why alert? because it helps the legion more than pvp does. Why npc? cause i'm a selfish bastard and i'd like to have more production.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:49 am |
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pokerman123
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:19 am Posts: 852
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then why suggest not to alert npcs to legion mates
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:01 am |
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dannic
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:55 pm Posts: 104
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because specific ones are leeches. They don't deserve the elites.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:06 am |
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GINK51
Joined: Fri May 29, 2015 11:51 am Posts: 152
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dannic wrote: why alert? because it helps the legion more than pvp does. Why npc? cause i'm a selfish bastard and i'd like to have more production. 100% agree with this. IMO who has the time while doing a npc run, or maybe 3 a day to block people from elites ?, you really want to add more clicking to NPCing ? really ?... and this will maybe help you and your legion , which is meant to be one of the best BTW , but for low and mid ranks this is useless , since npcs stay up way too long in most cases, the more ppl that can see and kill them the better ( I've even seen fabs stay up for an hour or two in some top 30 legions, just too many kings of the newbs in them) .. i dont care who's a 'leeche', 'pvper'' ect as long as they get rid of those stupid elites from my tab, so i can scan some good npcs, i could care less... so honestly this will help you and maybe what 50 other people ? Not to mention as already stated its pretty rude to block someone from crappy elites.... If you have too many pvper, leeche, ppl who don't deserve your fabs , might be time to look for a new legion. sadly a -1 from me.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:30 am |
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dannic
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:55 pm Posts: 104
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where I am at most don't last 30 seconds. unless it is a warp station or hypergrid. those can fill your bt and not die for hours. mostly because one or two feel it isn't worth their time to kill them unless they are on their battle tab. If a DCN lasts an hour it is amazing.
if your elites take days to die then you don't have enough people npcing.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:35 am |
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pokerman123
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:19 am Posts: 852
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to think about it boot your pvper's or as you call them leach's and lets see how long it takes before your legion has no more base scanning.
remember it cause of us pvp players you guys get to attack base's same as it is cause of the npc hunters the the pvp players can get to hit some elite npcs
and before you think i am 1 of those players look at leaderboards pac man im in the top 10 for medals top 10 for raids 21st in hacks if im correct top 50 for killers and my npc count is Non-Player Kills 1146306
when i decided to go pure pvp for a good while i am happy for those who npc hunts so i can still get npcs so as stated i am against blocking members from seeing them
if you do not want them to see them then either ask them to leave legion and find a new home you find a new legion or just do not alert there is 3 options there
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:46 am |
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dannic
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:55 pm Posts: 104
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pokerman123 wrote: to think about it boot your pvper's or as you call them leach's and lets see how long it takes before your legion has no more base scanning.
remember it cause of us pvp players you guys get to attack base's same as it is cause of the npc hunters the the pvp players can get to hit some elite npcs
and before you think i am 1 of those players look at leaderboards pac man im in the top 10 for medals top 10 for raids 21st in hacks if im correct top 50 for killers and my npc count is Non-Player Kills 1146306
when i decided to go pure pvp for a good while i am happy for those who npc hunts so i can still get npcs so as stated i am against blocking members from seeing them
if you do not want them to see them then either ask them to leave legion and find a new home you find a new legion or just do not alert there is 3 options there I'm well aware of what pvp is for. you whack on me nearly daily. And i'm sure that we won't be running out of red badges to scan any time soon. personally I still have Red Badges: 632 and I do pvp. however the vast majority of my time is spent looking for Terraformers before they become more difficult to find. You got to be a really strong player partly because of you npc'ing. And currently it doesn't make much sense for you to be strong npc at rank 2777. if more followed that there would be more strong ships. however the ones i'm complaining about and would like to block are below the 2k level I do see the argument as a valid one. Hoping to hit 1mil npc's before I hit 2202 myself. I'd also like to help those who are active in npc'ing. which those are dedicated to just pvp are not. Unless it is a nice fab, queen or dcn of course... then they will npc. or the ones who just sit there and wait for alerts and rank just off the alerts. Those I dislike the most. thankfully, I don't think we have any of those at the moment.
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TruthTheProphet
Joined: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:20 pm Posts: 173 Location: Scotland
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dannic wrote: Yes, I'll probably get pilloried for this one too.
How about allowing players the ability to block other players from seeing their elites that they alert? +1 Can be annoying when people take down elites before others can hit... -1 As legions should have a level of understanding and trust with their members... I'm torn on this one, the idea has merit behind it, but it's also a flawed one on the level of understanding your legionmates.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:43 am |
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DarkMar
Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:27 pm Posts: 1220
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you already have controle over when you share any elite you find so if you have a certain player you dont want on your elites, simply wait until he is idle or offline, before you share it
so no need to make a block funktion for NPC shares
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:15 pm |
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eternalpaw
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:31 pm Posts: 471
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"Leechers" as you like to call them are a part of every legion. You want to NPC til your finger falls off? That's a valid play style that gives you enjoyment. Doesn't seem right to bash other's for their playstyle. If people aren't hitting your alerts, why not do 80-90% of the damage yourself and then just alert for tappers. If the alert isn't killed within a certain time frame (if actively NPCing, 10 mins) kill it yourself and move on. That way you are still getting your NPC in, you've alerted an easy kill to help out your legion, and the "leechers" don't have to feel chastised for not wanting to spend 300 energy on a useless drop. Wins all around.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:17 pm |
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