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Author:  Lytol [ Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Halcyon Probe
There have probably been discussions about this before, but here's my 2 cents. Halcyon traps, while being somewhat useful to non-pvpers trying to avoid disables, are the cause of great annoyance for pvpers. There should be a way to tell if a ship has a halcyon on before wasting 50-100 energy trying to disable them before the trap triggers. An npc drop, either a new npc or possibly changing stryll trappers so that they'll drop a "Halcyon Probe" 50% of the time (they would drop the regular trap probe the rest of the time). The probe would simply tell you whether the target had an active halcyon trap or not. This would be invaluable to increasing the efficiency of pvping.
Author:  asquall [ Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
There are already 2 ways to figure out if they got halc active or not :
1st hint : 3, 5, 5 action, or less. Most ppl will have halc on.
2nd hint : Trap Probes. 4 means almost certainly they got halc on. 3 traps with less than 5 hack, then there is a good chance they are halced. 2 traps, with 5 hack, means possibly they got only halc and QFT on. 1 trap with less than 5 hack, possibly only halc.

Would -1 to this.
Author:  itsSoulPLayAgain [ Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
Only if it costed 75k ap from the aP pulls Cost RankX4 to use in nrg
Author:  Uy23e [ Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
itsSoulPLayAgain wrote:
Only if it costed 75k ap from the aP pulls Cost RankX4 to use in nrg


I'd rather take a repeatable mission that takes say 20 energy per round, 10 trap probe per round for 10 rounds, giving 1 such probe per completion and 35 exp per round.
So 200 energy, 100 trap probe for one such probe and 350 exp.
Author:  Crazyh [ Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
If such an artifact were to be created, then it would need to cost under 50(ish) energy to create (because only lower level pvpers are significantly restricted by wasting 50-100 energy before hitting a halc)
Author:  DarthRavadge [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
It should cost 200 rescued prisoners
Author:  Serne [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
Add it to the stryll trapper, make it a 5% drop chance.
Author:  smacbeats [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
Serne wrote:
Add it to the stryll trapper, make it a 5% drop chance.


This is the best idea I think.
Author:  imaoize [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
theres more than one choice to be reflected it could be a minmal rare, minimaly uncomon or not minimaly uncomon, minimaly rare extremely rare npc. a very easy theory lab recipe cause you need a lot. cause only some would be not enough for hunting player and high lvl would have all what they need of this arti if it would be aquired by npc (dont think you gona like it but i would give the same {whit a low cost theory lab recipe} than the rare npc when youre high lvl and real player are high lvl) upgraded stryll trap probe (game upgraded also) probe it show evry trap on or only halcyon by a upgradeable arti or ally or simpli an arti whit a passive ability it shows the trap only whit a probe, pasive ability getted by mission or rare npc see next sentence (time manipulator skip). an ability with timer that u can skip whit time manipulator because when youre hunting youre hunting you would need to see traps a lot so a 5 min time would be realy sucking no but very and whit no interest exept if it take 40 sec or a bit more skiped by manipulator would be fun still.a new race that you can create and see trap. dont like it a a reasearch to be did for making the module arti.geting from a simple arti shiment very rare get (i know you gona -1 but not bad cause it make a realy long time there ben new arti in the shipment and im saying there should be new ones soon so which one would be good +1? other idea if its timed it should be all skipable whit 2 time manipulator
Author:  senatorhung [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
Lytol wrote:
There have probably been discussions about this before, but here's my 2 cents. Halcyon traps, while being somewhat useful to non-pvpers trying to avoid disables, are the cause of great annoyance for pvpers. There should be a way to tell if a ship has a halcyon on before wasting 50-100 energy trying to disable them before the trap triggers. An npc drop, either a new npc or possibly changing stryll trappers so that they'll drop a "Halcyon Probe" 50% of the time (they would drop the regular trap probe the rest of the time). The probe would simply tell you whether the target had an active halcyon trap or not. This would be invaluable to increasing the efficiency of pvping.


-1. i am on the kills leaderboard and this would increase my pvp efficiency by exactly zilcho. just use the trap probes you already have access to. see asquall's reply for details.
Author:  imaoize [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
well talk abouth it if someone say something aceptable
Author:  Deigobene [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
asquall wrote:
There are already 2 ways to figure out if they got halc active or not :
1st hint : 3, 5, 5 action, or less. Most ppl will have halc on.
2nd hint : Trap Probes. 4 means almost certainly they got halc on. 3 traps with less than 5 hack, then there is a good chance they are halced. 2 traps, with 5 hack, means possibly they got only halc and QFT on. 1 trap with less than 5 hack, possibly only halc.

Would -1 to this.

Quoting for truth.

Halcs are not an issue if you take the slightest amount of care and/or try getting badges from people other than laughables, such as those who have actions above 3,5,5.
Really not rocket science.
Author:  Serne [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
Deigobene wrote:
asquall wrote:
There are already 2 ways to figure out if they got halc active or not :
1st hint : 3, 5, 5 action, or less. Most ppl will have halc on.
2nd hint : Trap Probes. 4 means almost certainly they got halc on. 3 traps with less than 5 hack, then there is a good chance they are halced. 2 traps, with 5 hack, means possibly they got only halc and QFT on. 1 trap with less than 5 hack, possibly only halc.

Would -1 to this.

Quoting for truth.

Halcs are not an issue if you take the slightest amount of care and/or try getting badges from people other than laughables, such as those who have actions above 3,5,5.
Really not rocket science.


Or if you eventually build up your energy bar to the point that you can autorank PVP off winning hits, and later on losing ones too if you can autorank basing. Then you don't even really need to worry about traps if you got the time, only need to worry about your null supply.
Author:  Toruk_Makto [ Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
I PvP enough that even if there was a way to build a halc probe, I wouldn't do it. Would take too much E. Even an NPC freebie drop wouldn't be worth it. I'd need hundreds of them to be of any use to me.

If anything, a halc should just go off on the first hit. Always cracks me up when I get lucky and disable someone with a halc and then they whine on my comm about their issues. Quite funny really...XD
Author:  devinsimps [ Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
After PVPing for 5 days, and adding over 66 kills to my small kill list, I've only had 8 of the ships I targeted have halcs. I don't know what all of you are complaining about, with how "Annoying' they are, but I think you all need to man up and deal with it, you "Insane Legends" you.
Author:  Crazyh [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
devinsimps wrote:
After PVPing for 5 days, and adding over 66 kills to my small kill list, I've only had 8 of the ships I targeted have halcs. I don't know what all of you are complaining about, with how "Annoying' they are, but I think you all need to man up and deal with it, you "Insane Legends" you.



Insane Epic Legends I think xD

Also, it's a bit annoying towards the higher ranks when 90% of ships have a halc trap.
Author:  Ranqul [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
Uy23e wrote:
itsSoulPLayAgain wrote:
Only if it costed 75k ap from the aP pulls Cost RankX4 to use in nrg


I'd rather take a repeatable mission that takes say 20 energy per round, 10 trap probe per round for 10 rounds, giving 1 such probe per completion and 35 exp per round.
So 200 energy, 100 trap probe for one such probe and 350 exp.


So you're proposing a mission that uses 200 energy to solve the OPs problem of wasting 50-100 energy by hitting players with halc traps? :roll:

I do plenty of pvp and while halcs can be annoying, I don't see this as an issue at all. The reality is, if you target laughable/weak/feeble rep players for easy badges and to pad your stats then you're going to hit a lot of halcs, if you hit more evenly matched players (high pvp stats) then you're going to hit less halcs.

-1
Author:  detregets [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
OK here's my 2 cents and its so simple u will smack urself


If someone has a halcyon on it should change the color of their shields
Author:  Pongoloid [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
I honestly can't remember the last time I had a Halc on, but they are a good option for passive players who don't want to find their ship pillaged every time they step away from GL for a few minutes.

PVPers sometimes complain about Halcs taking the fun out of the game for them, but stop for a moment and think about just a few of the things the 24/7 Halcer crowd is missing out on:

  • Bainar and Thraacti: when you get a lucky roll they're pretty sweet!
  • Heist Dispatch Upgrades. Sure there are better 1:1 artis out there, but more is still... more!
  • Moar Hull from Assault Sentry and Arsenals.
  • 1,240 bonus to Attack from Tri-Blasters.
  • Hilarious rage comms/retaliations.
  • Extreme Halcers might even pass up a good invasion opportunity because they don't want to lose Halc privileges!

And for a Halc to be effective you have to be active. If your ship has a passive reputation, you know you're going to get hit almost every time you cycle through the BT. So if not getting disables is that important to you, you gotta log on and reset every 6 hours (Calming Amp + Halc) at a minimum. Just as PVPing with efficiency requires checking actions, using resource/trap probes, and a reasonable amount of common sense, it takes a fair amount of work for people to stay fully halced up, too -- and they are missing out on cool content!

Finally, one of the jobs of active PVPers is to set off Halc traps so that less vigilant players get disabled and pillaged two hours later when they cycle back through the BT. So even if I agreed with a Halc Probe in principle, from a practical standpoint, it would mean that the more conservative or "restrained" (i.e. lazy) PVPers would pass on those guys and the regular refrain of "Waaaaaah, everybody is always halced!" would become even worse.

Nobody wants that.
Author:  devinsimps [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Halcyon Probe
detregets wrote:
OK here's my 2 cents and its so simple u will smack urself


If someone has a halcyon on it should change the color of their shields


Than what would the point of calling it a trap be then? I mean, I get what you're saying, but the whole reason that it is a trap is so it will trigger when you, unknowingly, set it off. I feel like, if we were to introduce shield color changes to the game, we should do it as a cusomizable option, not as a way of saying, "Hey, I have a Halc. You better not shoot at me."
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