The planets that people actually pay money for, Dysons and Exotics are a sore subject for everyone. It would be nice if there was some hold to that player for them, that they were off limits to theft. This shouldn't be a big deal considering it is at most two planets per person. I know a lot of people refuse to spend money on these two planets for this very reason. It's just one of those things that goes too far and hurts people too much, it isn't bringing a positive experience to the game.

And once again to clarify I am talking about the Dyson and Exotic from the missions specifically, not all Dysons and Exotics.

I agree with you. It would make sense if these 'expensive' planets were auto protected, maybe passive cloak of 200k so that they could never be found. I know I would be much more likely to buy the GP to make them if I knew that after making them they wouldn't be stolen.

And I agree, it would be just these two planets that you are paying for.

That is actually a good idea. You still have to deal with anyone who scanned it before the effect, but that is a good consequence. And to balance the planets that are already out there, leave current dysons and exotics out of the effect.

+1

"The planets that people actually pay money for"

If you are referring to the Dyson Transformer and Hyper-Terraformer mission rewards, I would have to say that people that put in the time and effort playing the game probably value those planets even more than those who "buy" them. If I understand the OP, what you are asking for is nothing more than a shift of a level playing field to protect those who possibly shelled out for something too early. If you're not strong enough to protect what you have, it should be fair game. If you're so paranoid about someone taking it, CC a few Planet Fluxes and get in the habit of flushing your Dyson and Exotic every coupla days.

Its like you are saying we're not allowed to hit a football player because he buys his own fancy turf shoes... Sounds a bit skewed and unfair, after all it is just a game and that German guy on TV didn't put a phase cannon to your head and say "Buy a Dyson"...

After watching the forums for a while, I've noticed that many of the "fixes" are being suggested by the high-end players. Granted, you guys have more experience with the game and all, but it gets old seeing suggestions that do nothing for low- to mid-level players. Not to stereotype, but I find it funny that this one comes from a Dysonian. There is a general perception, I think, that you guys have no qualms about (metaphorically) raping and pillaging the little guys/legions for whatever you can get from them.

That said, please bear in mind that I, personally, haven't had the pleasure of being on the bad end of that big stick, and prefer to keep it that way.

Now if I missed the point of the OP, disregard everything I just said. I'm taking cold-medicine and it does funny things to my brain sometimes.

Dan makes money on this game. That money comes from players who buy artifacts to give them an advantage. It just so happens that we Dysonians have more than our share of paid players, so yes we will make more than our share of suggestions. If Dan wants to continue to encourage players to pay for certain items, then it makes sense for those investments to be protected, don't you think? We are at war with another legion over a paid for planet. As people find out about our war and what started it, don't you think people would be more hesitant to pay the price in the first place? That could adversely affect Dan's income. I for one would not want to buy the artifacts needed for the mission knowing someone might scan it and take it. What sense does that make? There are players who would do that if they knew the planet was secure. I know the planet was protected, it just was not protected enough. If gas planets and volcanic planets can have passive protection added to them, why not planets that players have invested in to improve? That only makes sense to me. Understand that the only reason you get to play the game for free is that there are other players that are willing to pay for advantages in the game. The developers did not make this game because they were bored, they made and develop it to make money.

Well then you find yourself in the trap of unqualified rumors. Also as you have said you have had no direct experience with us, so this mostly makes your statement look bad on your part. The exotic planet can be obtained over time, it would take a very long time and thats fine. The Dyson however is nearly impossible, after approximately 8 months of playing no player I know has received more than 3 quasi spatial expanders, and I think most of them were obtained before they were taken out (or reduced, whichever it was) from artifact points.

These are people that have very high artifact production rates and kill more npcs than most legions combined. This is to make a point, the average person would take years to obtain enough quasi expanders to make a Dyson, and the not so average person may take a few less years to obtain one. Realistically the only way you are getting the mission Dyson is to buy it.

To fix your flawed analogy, it would be like everyone has shoes, they are stolen sometimes but there is a free shoe market you can occasionally visit and recieve new free shoes, however, said football player buys fancy shoes and immediately has them stolen even though he was simply walking home.

I personally do not have a Dyson, but I don't like to see people hurt over something they paid actual money for. This is a small if not reasonable request I think. 2 planets out of everyone you own would be protected, everything else remains fair game. This benefits everyone large and small and takes some serious hatred out of the game.

This is the most important statement of this thread. I agree completely that protecting these two planets would cause a lot less hassle for everyone, make everyone happier, reduce wars, etc.

Granted, you guys have more experience with the game and all
Not to stereotype
There is a general perception

Apparently these statements were missed or ignored.

I agree that the more experienced players should be supplying more of the suggestions. I've noticed many improvements to the game that started as ideas from them. Yes, the game was created in order to make money, but how many people are going to start dropping nickels from day one? If the only way to stay competitive is to buy everything, then I would expect a short life. But just because you do spend money on a game that is otherwise free, does not mean that you should be allowed to dictate all the rules and adjustments. That sounds a bit like an aristocracy, and those are notorious for causing revolutions and executions.

No, I have not had personal experience with the Dysonians (or Desperados or any of the upper echelon legions) so I have to base my opinion (not judgement) of them by the press that they get in the forums. News flash... some of y'all got a bad rep... I actually like most of the things that get posted by you guys (if only for the entertainment value in some cases). And I respect your opinion even if I disagree.

To fix your flawed analogy, it would be like everyone has shoes, they are stolen sometimes but there is a free shoe market you can occasionally visit and recieve new free shoes, however, said football player buys fancy shoes and immediately has them stolen even though he was simply walking home

That's called getting mugged. Happens all the time.

These are people that have very high artifact production rates and kill more npcs than most legions combined. This is to make a point, the average person would take years to obtain enough quasi expanders to make a Dyson, and the not so average person may take a few less years to obtain one. Realistically the only way you are getting the mission Dyson is to buy it.

You think Dan wouldn't be happy to have people playing his game for years? If they get that into it, they're gonna spend some money somewhere along the line.

If Dan wants to continue to encourage players to pay for certain items, then it makes sense for those investments to be protected, don't you think?

Still gotta pay for Onstar...

Understand that the only reason you get to play the game for free

Who said I'm playing for free?

You think Nocifer is going to be happy with less wars?

Wars don't have to be fueled by hatred. A lot of the people we have begun warring with I didn't know at all beforehand. I've come to know a number of them and a lot of them are good people, maybe competitive but that's healthy and fine. We can all be respectful to one another and still blow each other up. But when you involve real money into the equation, it really drives people over the edge, which is understandable.

I didn't miss your statements, but you come off with a certain persona even with the statements you mentioned.

I do not believe that Dan values the opinions of paying customers over others (this is a belief, because I want to believe Dan is a fair guy). i have been playing for some time now and only recently have I put a little bit of cash in. I know Dan listened to my suggestions before that. I'm pretty sure he just looks for reasonable suggestions that will improve the world he has created. Maybe as a byproduct the people that do pay money have more of a vested interest in the game, therefore they are more willing to seek out the forums and make suggestions.

As for the non paying form of acquiring these planets, if it had taken you 5 years to make a planet and then someone stole it the next day, that is probably even worse than paying money for it and having it stolen. Your losing a serious investment either way, whether it be time or money.

Regardless the proposal covers both those who pay with money or with time.

I agree with this whole heartedly. The reason I have not paid the money to buy these planets is because they can be taken away from me. I will not pay for something that can be taken away so easily. So for these two planets that a player buys should be private planets for them only. The one thing I would like to add is that if that player would go inactive for an extended period of time, say a month, then the planets should be opened up to random scanning. This could be done by giving them an inherent high cloak that is set for if the player goes past that point inactive it drops to 0.

Adding additional passive abilities to these planets when the artifacts are used is a good idea. We will address this in a future patch. Essentially, this would simply make the artifacts more powerful and useful than they are already.

I don't think I understand this but I am excited by it never the less!

This is why I tell people who are asking where to spend money to buy fathers. They can't be stolen and let you play more. You can't beat that combo!

While I pretty much agree with everything in here, I still don't see how this idea would benefit EVERYBODY (or even MOST people for that matter). A vast majority (dare i say 95%+ ? ) will NEVER have the Dyson. So in essence, a change is being proposed to benefit an elite few...

I can remember when my older brother took out a loan for a new car. Paid it off early and 3 weeks later it got stolen and wrapped around a very sturdy tree. Was he PO'd? Heck yeah! Was there anything he could do about it? Not really. Basically he was SOL. Anytime you involve money, there is a risk, be it a new car, a lotto ticket, shellfish, or a Dyson. If you aren't willing to deal with the consequences of losing, don't take the risk. That's all I'm really saying...

If the rules get changed, fine whatever. I'll live with it or I'll leave. I'm just voicing my opinion, the same as everybody else. If nobody speaks up against something that may potentially be biased, isn't that a bad thing? There's too many ostriches sticking their heads in the sand already... And isn't this exactly what this particular forum is really for? Making suggestions and discussing the pro's and con's?

Nothing is intended as a personal attack on any one person or legion. And I apologize to anybody that may have taken things that way. I was only pointing out the PERCEIVED IMAGE of certain groups.

I agree with Darth and am abhorred by this.

Thanks for the vote Coth. I'm not totally opposed to buffing them a little, but to make them completely off limits is going too far.

It's perfectly fine, there is no reason to take any of it personally. I have read your points and added counter points as I see it. I'm not like most people on here, if you can argue logically and convincingly your point of view, I may very well change mine.

Those who pay money get advantages, that's the whole point of paying money. However the consequences of losing these planets is entirely detrimental to everyone. I don't particularly like the real analogies, if people wanted real life they would go out and do it. This is a video game that people play for enjoyment and various entertainment reasons.

Your brother should have had insurance, if not then yea he was taking a chance. By your own argument everyone can get these planets eventually, therefore, yes it will benefit everyone. The same as just because high level npcs are introduced and only a few can kill it, eventually they will be available to everyone.

And herein lies one of the problems I have seen in the last 5-6 months since I started playing. Too many people are having issues separating the two.