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Could we add a text line for when people alert their legion? In my legion, I can't tell if it's because they're being picked on and trying to get help from some larger members, or if it's because they want to start a legion war. I also can't tell why they want to start a legion war (stealing planets? being the aggressors?) Being able to add a short message would really help me decide whether to get involved or not. (I really, really dislike Legion wars without very good reasons and try to not start them.)


Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:00 pm
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That would be really nice. I also normally don't get myself involved with alerts because I don't know why someone wants someone else disabled.


Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:06 pm
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That would be really nice. I also normally don't get myself involved with alerts because I don't know why someone wants someone else disabled.


since one can only alert if the aggressor has taken action its safe to assume its an s.o.s. from your legion mate , now if they started it its shameful but they are still a member of your legion and you should defend at all costs even if that precipitates a war .

Dont apply to my legion jerominator we cant use your sort we want patriots willing to die for the cause and there fellow legionnaire not p***y's who want to farm and sit on the side lines while they watch there mates ships burn .

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The Jerominator wrote:
That would be really nice. I also normally don't get myself involved with alerts because I don't know why someone wants someone else disabled.


since one can only alert if the aggressor has taken action its safe to assume its an s.o.s. from your legion mate , now if they started it its shameful but they are still a member of your legion and you should defend at all costs even if that precipitates a war .

Dont apply to my legion jerominator we cant use your sort we want patriots willing to die for the cause and there fellow legionnaire not p***y's who want to farm and sit on the side lines while they watch there mates ships burn .


Powerfull wors vladd, I like thoose words.
I don't think we need a text with the alerts, alerts easily means sos, If more is to be added, you use legion comms.

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since one can only alert if the aggressor has taken action its safe to assume its an s.o.s. from your legion mate , now if they started it its shameful but they are still a member of your legion and you should defend at all costs even if that precipitates a war


true, but if it turns out a legion member alerted a victim (instead of an agressor), there is a risk of getting a bad reputation to the legion. There's no solution to prevent people from making mistakes, but this suggestion will at least help alleviating it a bit.

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Not trying to change the subject here, but I could take on your whole legion Vladd. Why would I want to join you?


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since one can only alert if the aggressor has taken action its safe to assume its an s.o.s. from your legion mate , now if they started it its shameful but they are still a member of your legion and you should defend at all costs even if that precipitates a war


true, but if it turns out a legion member alerted a victim (instead of an aggressor), there is a risk of getting a bad reputation to the legion. There's no solution to prevent people from making mistakes, but this suggestion will at least help alleviating it a bit.



That's where being able to message the person that your legion mate has alerted you to comes in handy .and if it turns out someone in the legion is starting trouble then playing victim they know they get the boot so its an unlikely situation atleast in our fleet .
And does anyone honestly think if someone is alerting on someone they attacked first then got retaliated upon by do you think they are going to truthfully say I hit him first but I cant handle what he/she is doing to me now ? come on lets get real here :roll:

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and if it turns out someone in the legion is starting trouble then playing victim they know they get the boot so its an unlikely situation atleast in our fleet .


When someone disables or hacks another (without triggering traps), there's no log left to remind the attacker who've been his victim in the past. In addition if the victim alerts the attacker to legion members, then the attacker gets retaliated by a total stranger and 'thinks' that s/he is the victim (while s/he is not a victim, nor playing a victim). You'd be surprised how often that happens in the galaxy. :shock:

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vladd13 wrote:
and if it turns out someone in the legion is starting trouble then playing victim they know they get the boot so its an unlikely situation atleast in our fleet .


When someone disables or hacks another (without triggering traps), there's no log left to remind the attacker who've been his victim in the past. In addition if the victim alerts the attacker to legion members, then the attacker gets retaliated by a total stranger and 'thinks' that s/he is the victim (while s/he is not a victim, nor playing a victim). You'd be surprised how often that happens in the galaxy. :shock:


thats a valid point but its pretty obvious when all of the sudden within a few hours you are attacked by 5-10 players all from the same legion that its not a total stranger doncha think ?

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thats a valid point but its pretty obvious when all of the sudden within a few hours you are attacked by 5-10 players all from the same legion that its not a total stranger doncha think ?


Lets assume that there are going to be multiple responses from the alert (which is often not true)
there's going to be fast ones, and slow ones as well.
The fast one hits the aggressor's ship, and the aggressor retaliates to victim's legion mate (the fast one).
The slow one attacks the aggressor, and s/he think the 'fast one' shamelessly attacked the aggressor out of blue and alerted him/her. The aggressor will probably be angry and alert the 'fast one' to his/her legion (not realizing that s/he is the shameless one).
And you'd also be surprised how often this happens. :o :shock:

the best way to prevent those things from happening
is to write down the victim name and victim legion name.
such as:
"Oct 27th, disabled Vladd (the browncoats), triggered halcyon on Coth (PA), and hacked Baltar (Darkside)" and on. Which is what I am doing since September 3rd.

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the best way to prevent those things from happening
is to write down the victim name and victim legion name.
such as:
"Oct 27th, disabled Vladd (the browncoats), triggered halcyon on Coth (PA), and hacked Baltar (Darkside)" and on. Which is what I am doing since September 3rd.



I gotta admit this is a good idea for those who do a bit of pvp I usually do so little pvp though I haven't thought of this one

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I gotta admit this is a good idea for those who do a bit of pvp I usually do so little pvp though I haven't thought of this one

unfortunately this protects the victim, not yourself, so it does not appeal well to the general population.
(because once you know that a random person is actually your victim, you have to deal with it on your own without legion help,, which doesn't help you)
Anyone who does this more than a month will be nominated as a "kindhearted attacker" status by the authority of Sinsa :lol:

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vladd13 wrote:
I gotta admit this is a good idea for those who do a bit of pvp I usually do so little pvp though I haven't thought of this one

unfortunately this protects the victim, not yourself, so it does not appeal well to the general population.
(because once you know that a random person is actually your victim, you have to deal with it on your own without legion help,, which doesn't help you)
Anyone who does this more than a month will be nominated as a "kindhearted attacker" status by the authority of Sinsa :lol:



Huh ? im not clear on what you mean

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If person A does not record logs, A can occasionally get help from legion when he faces a victim who fights back well. (and later say that it was a mistake).
But if person A records logs, he knows that he is fighting with his victim so he can't use his legion' help. He has to fight it out all by himself, or lie to legion (and feel guilty).
So recording logs only hurts the person A in general.

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ah ok understand what you mean now

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despite all the ranting I did in the forums as of late, in the very beginning, while dealing with KNR, I was still in the legion Overlord. It should simply be that if you don't want to start a war or otherwise risk your mates, don't alert your legion at all! When I first took out the KNR who had attacked my mates, it was from one of their alerts. I soon learned I should of just left it alone and allowed them to deal with their problems unless they were being ganged on. But it wasn't the case. When I intervened, I ended up getting alerted to the attacker's legion, and had 10 of them on me within hours, all preaching that they were 'defending' their victimized legionmate. Not trying to start any arguement in this thread btw, my point is simply it's a slippery slope for sure. While they still claim that Im a big fat liar and cheater and blah blah blah whatever, I do you cede now that I should have just ignored the alert in the first place and left well enough alone. The propensity for a war to start from one simple alert is hyperbolic.

Albeit, I wouldnt have made all these new friends and enemies!

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