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if you want other targets on scanner, all you realy need to do is reduce or increase your scan

no info on how mutch scan you are running here, but from the looks of it, my guess is

you are running to low scan = you only pick up targets with very low cloak, witch limmit your total number of total targets so you will get more targets with have a higher rank then yourself

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to mutch scan = you pick up targets with more cloak then what you ships your own rank usealy have



also, theire will always be players that for some reason is running extreamly low cloak, so no matter what you do theire are always a chance to get one of those on scanner.
but does it realy matter. all it takes to replace him with a new target is 1 attack = 5 energy
so if you dont want the rank 713 player, just bump him



the system isnt broken, you just need to mannaged your scan stat better to get the targets you want on scanner

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359 / .6 ~= 598. That is the max that should see you now.

You can see forever going up, but have a block on how far you can see down. At 359 you should be able to see down to 215.

If you are attacked within seconds of repairing every time, and can put a halc trap on then I would suggest this series of artifact uses PRIOR to each repair. Shield Amplifier, Nanite Swarm Capsule, Grid Console, Krionus Virus Trap (extra delay), Halcyon, and finally repair nano. Once repaired toss the calming amp on. If Krionus and halc get tripped prior to calming amp use then reset both in the same order again. If this series still does not allow you to avoid being disabled within moments of repairing I am completely unable to assist you.

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Ah well, someone mentioned it's 40% up and 40% down...

That said I was sure I was hit by a rank 681 which triggered me to posting this thread. My eyes aren't as good as they used to be so it's possible I misread a 581, but I have no way of knowing how many people can see me, or how highly ranked they are.

That said, the way scan / cloak changes your targets seems a little stupid since the cloaking and scanning isn't relative to your rank.
I had 2876 Scan and 1890 Cloak when I posted that BT screenshot. Typically when I'm fitted for PvP disables, I'd have approximately 1000 Scan and maybe 500 cloak so I can maximise my attack and defence.

However, if me improving my cloak is only going to attract larger ships to detecting me, ideally I want 0 cloaking so only ships with low scan can will detect me...?

As you've said, the system works... but I'm saying it works very poorly, and has ample opportunity to be improved so it sucks less and actually works more effectively.
Things like having BT pool count, to show you how many players you're currently visible to (thus, making you tweak your cloaking to see how effectively you're hiding), and having one that also shows how many players are available in your pool, so you know how much to increase your scan by if you've got limited targets.
Also having the lower rank count limited to a set number of ranks if it starts to exceed a stupid amount. A percentage works fine when you're dealing with tiny numbers that have little influence... but when you're dealing with people having a headstart of over 200 ranks, and two years of gameplay, it becomes ridiculously unfair.

There's currently nothing that can prevent you from being prey. Amps and H-traps are only effective if you're online to replace them, so it's basically; Don't sleep and survive, or have a personal life, don't exhaust yourself, eat and get killed, raided and hacked daily.


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Ah well, someone mentioned it's 40% up and 40% down...


40% up from you can badge you ... you can badge 40% down.

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That said I was sure I was hit by a rank 681 which triggered me to posting this thread.


if that happened, it was not a hit from the battle tab, but from either a planet theft or legion alert. i can hit a rank 20 off of a legion alert.

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That said, the way scan / cloak changes your targets seems a little stupid since the cloaking and scanning isn't relative to your rank. ... However, if me improving my cloak is only going to attract larger ships to detecting me, ideally I want 0 cloaking so only ships with low scan can will detect me...?


this is nonsense. your rank determines the maximum pool of targets available. cloak and scan winnows down the pool. going down to 0 cloak means you are within the much bigger pool and will be found less on the battle tab. high cloak means you will only be seen by those with high scan ... usually much higher ranked.

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Things like having BT pool count, to show you how many players you're currently visible to (thus, making you tweak your cloaking to see how effectively you're hiding), and having one that also shows how many players are available in your pool, so you know how much to increase your scan by if you've got limited targets.


this is the only nugget of value in your post. having this information might also settle the reasons for the differences between what you see on your battle tab while in legion and while out of legion.

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Also having the lower rank count limited to a set number of ranks if it starts to exceed a stupid amount. A percentage works fine when you're dealing with tiny numbers that have little influence... but when you're dealing with people having a headstart of over 200 ranks, and two years of gameplay, it becomes ridiculously unfair.


so AFTER you have enjoyed the benefits of sharking among the guppies, you would rather not be the guppy to the higher.ranked sharks ? hypocritical. if you want to actively pvp throughout the game, you have to build your ship to defend against those 40% higher, plain and simple.

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There's currently nothing that can prevent you from being prey. Amps and H-traps are only effective if you're online to replace them, so it's basically; Don't sleep and survive, or have a personal life, don't exhaust yourself, eat and get killed, raided and hacked daily.


if you feel this way, you are just doing it wrong. i hit hundreds of ships on my battle tab DAILY. there are some that NEVER get a ship comm from me. because they trap up before they repair ... they avoid pvp activities ... they build their ship to be so chewy that i move on to the next target. if your ship is getting disabled daily ... YOU HAVE A WEAK SHIP !

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There's currently nothing that can prevent you from being prey. Amps and H-traps are only effective if you're online to replace them...

... at most once every 6 hours ...

DerpStevo wrote:
..., so it's basically; Don't sleep ...

... more than 23 hours and 56 minutes a day in 6 hour stretches ...
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... and survive, or have a personal life, don't exhaust yourself, eat and get killed, raided and hacked daily.
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"Survive" doesn't equate to "never get hit in PVP" in my opinion, but that being said, if your goal is zero deaths, then yeah, you're going to have to check in at least every 6 hours. If your goal is to grow, then the criteria are more about what you can get accomplished when you sign in than about a 6 hour frequency.

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Not being funny...Please, for the love of this game, fix the damn battle tab. Make it so you match ships around your own rank.... Make it so it's actually fair combat


Yeah, the BT should be made fair, although everyone who is competent at Galaxy Legion knows that rank is irrelevant in and of itself. Instead, Dan should make sure my ship cannot be seen by anyone who has played longer than me, ever had more Ap/Hr than me, ever had a higher ship strength than me, or ever been in a stronger legion than I am currently in. Of course, not everyone has the same PvP experience, so to make things fair, we should probably make sure that only people with roughly the same amount of kills, hacks, and raids as well as kills to death ratios be able to see each other; that would even up the difference in experience and make for a fairer BT. Oh, and I almost forgot, for fairness' sake due to the way a low rank can be given a bunch of artis and then use them to disable me easier, make sure I cannot be seen by anyone who has ever had artifacts sent to them either, since artis make things uneven and, therefore, unfair. Finally, and most important of all, make sure that people can only see my ship when I am online, because nothing is more unfair than one person disabling another when only one of the two are online.

Come on people. Help us figure more ways that we can make the BT completely and utterly fair so that no one (not even the people on these forums) can find cause to complain.

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DerpStevo wrote:
Not being funny...Please, for the love of this game, fix the damn battle tab. Make it so you match ships around your own rank.... Make it so it's actually fair combat


Yeah, the BT should be made fair, although everyone who is competent at Galaxy Legion knows that rank is irrelevant in and of itself. Instead, Dan should make sure my ship cannot be seen by anyone who has played longer than me, ever had more Ap/Hr than me, ever had a higher ship strength than me, or ever been in a stronger legion than I am currently in. Of course, not everyone has the same PvP experience, so to make things fair, we should probably make sure that only people with roughly the same amount of kills, hacks, and raids as well as kills to death ratios be able to see each other; that would even up the difference in experience and make for a fairer BT. Oh, and I almost forgot, for fairness' sake due to the way a low rank can be given a bunch of artis and then use them to disable me easier, make sure I cannot be seen by anyone who has ever had artifacts sent to them either, since artis make things uneven and, therefore, unfair. Finally, and most important of all, make sure that people can only see my ship when I am online, because nothing is more unfair than one person disabling another when only one of the two are online.

Come on people. Help us figure more ways that we can make the BT completely and utterly fair so that no one (not even the people on these forums) can find cause to complain.


LMAO!

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DerpStevo wrote:
Not being funny...Please, for the love of this game, fix the damn battle tab. Make it so you match ships around your own rank.... Make it so it's actually fair combat


Yeah, the BT should be made fair, although everyone who is competent at Galaxy Legion knows that rank is irrelevant in and of itself. Instead, Dan should make sure my ship cannot be seen by anyone who has played longer than me, ever had more Ap/Hr than me, ever had a higher ship strength than me, or ever been in a stronger legion than I am currently in. Of course, not everyone has the same PvP experience, so to make things fair, we should probably make sure that only people with roughly the same amount of kills, hacks, and raids as well as kills to death ratios be able to see each other; that would even up the difference in experience and make for a fairer BT. Oh, and I almost forgot, for fairness' sake due to the way a low rank can be given a bunch of artis and then use them to disable me easier, make sure I cannot be seen by anyone who has ever had artifacts sent to them either, since artis make things uneven and, therefore, unfair. Finally, and most important of all, make sure that people can only see my ship when I am online, because nothing is more unfair than one person disabling another when only one of the two are online.

Come on people. Help us figure more ways that we can make the BT completely and utterly fair so that no one (not even the people on these forums) can find cause to complain.


lots of way to make Things fair Again

lets introduce a few new traps

the ultra halck, prevents the ship that sets it off from attacking any ships at all the next 10 days - effect can't be removed by nulls

and

the multicron trap, 500% dammage of hull + shield, + does dammage to all attacking ships systems (-50%)

and both traps are set off with a 100% chance if any ships with higher rank then your self attack you, and automaticaly reload as long as you have them


and after we kill PvP combat, maby we can introduce some annimals you can share with your FB friends and place on your planets
and ofcourse we also need to change Galaxy "farmville" legion, the friendly edition that is fair to everyone


or maby not....

lets just face the facts, this game never was and never will be fair.....
if you are not doing PvP, Calming Amplifier + Halcyon Trap gives you 6+ hours where you cant be disabled, that should be more then enougth to spendt your daily energy
most activ PvP players are already complaning that to many players are running Halc's so they cant realy get the kills they need to buy what they need from the battlemarked

and if you are doing PvP, it's not that hard to disable 3+ ships for every time you get disabled your self

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whaaaaaa pvp is soooo unfair...booo hoooo....pvp is sooo hard...why are people of higher rank always attacking me?

heres a tissue, now go blow.


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