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Zyxxyz
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:37 pm Posts: 3
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Hello, I would like to ask a question about some guy that disabled me recently. I'm not really new to this game but that's some things I find strange with him. One image speaking better than a thousand word here is his ship : 400 attack and 165 def according to my probes, he got no artifact on and his ship is almost naked, he got a merged microgel armor, and 4x dominion cannon.  Uploaded with ImageShack.usAnd here is mine : 416 attack and 225 def and the better hulls and weapons I could find.  Uploaded with ImageShack.usStill this guy manages to kick my ass everytime I try to retaliate. I'm not complaining about the disabling or anything, I get disabled a lot, that's how the game works nothing wrong with it but come on, how can he got these huge stats (for our levels) with a naked ship and 6 level minus. And also how does kick my ass so easily while his stats are under mine, each time I strike he does me 75 damages and I do him something like 16. Am I crazy to think this guy is cheating shamelessly ? Thank you for reading and for any constructive answer.
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:58 pm |
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235drew
Joined: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:11 pm Posts: 883 Location: invading your planet
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:11 pm |
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Annabell
Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 7:33 pm Posts: 1988 Location: Aboard Blackwood Hall
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Their stats are similar to yours because they likely have a large numbers of both Tactical Officers and Helmsmen in their Crew.
This suspicion is confirmed by the fact that they have far fewer Decks than you, and thus the amount of damage you can inflict upon them is restricted by the Rank Equation Damage Cap to forty-six. They probably have fifty-six Decks or so; meanwhile, you have closer to three-hundred, so their cap on you is determined by the Decks Equation Damage Cap at somewhere between one-hundred-twenty-five and one-hundred-fifty.
You can find out more about this subject here.
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:14 pm |
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FerrusManus
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:32 am Posts: 4524
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Yeah, he has about the same attack and defense, but a lot fewer decks, so they take less damage.
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:27 pm |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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Damage Cap, Another Scout ship, hate them. They Mass Recruit Tactical Officers and take advantage of the Damage Cap. Shouldn't he be a Konqul Fixer?
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:35 pm |
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Annabell
Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 7:33 pm Posts: 1988 Location: Aboard Blackwood Hall
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Commonwealth <TK> wrote: Shouldn't he be a Konqul Fixer? Shhhh... don't help them.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:28 am |
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Pertominus
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:21 am Posts: 1091 Location: really wants 2 b in LA....
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dnt worry, time will find a way to deal with these small ship building fools.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:23 am |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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Pertominus wrote: dnt worry, time will find a way to deal with these small ship building fools. True, small ship builds is slow death. They will eventually have to invest in decks, and when they do, they will be massively behind.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:39 am |
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Zyxxyz
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:37 pm Posts: 3
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Okey so having lots of decks is a huge drawback and I m building my ship wrong from the beginning if I understand well ? 
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:41 am |
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Commonwealth <TK>
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:51 am Posts: 2371
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Zyxxyz wrote: Okey so having lots of decks is a huge drawback and I m building my ship wrong from the beginning if I understand well ?  No you are doing it right, that guy whoever you are fighting is taking a rush build, he is only strong at low ranks, he mass recruits Tactical Officers, in later gameplay. We call this a scout build. It has many disadvantages - No space to install scanners to scan for planets - Minimal energy, unable to do much - Slow ranking - Slow Death, you will eventually beat and overwhelm him in the long run. Continue investing in decks. This is the standard build just like me.  Since that guy is Rank 54, if he spent all his rank points into Tactical Officers 54x5x2 = 540 +160 Attack from cannons = 700 attack. Evidently, he has invested some rank points into decks though.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:48 am |
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Zyxxyz
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:37 pm Posts: 3
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Okey, thanks for reassuring me ! Always good to learn things. But why did the devs include the decks in the damage you take or give ? I don't really see the use of that.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:57 pm |
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Pertominus
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:21 am Posts: 1091 Location: really wants 2 b in LA....
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Damage cap is designed to prevent large ships picking on little ones. it does this by having the maximum deal-able damage dependent on your opponents ship size (scout, cruiser ect). however in this case, your opponent has used his knowledge of the loop hole for evil.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:38 pm |
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FerrusManus
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:32 am Posts: 4524
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Zyxxyz wrote: Okey, thanks for reassuring me ! Always good to learn things. But why did the devs include the decks in the damage you take or give ? I don't really see the use of that. The damage equation is based on the damage cap, so there must be some way to measure it. It used to be based on hull I believe, but that seemed a bit silly (double your health and you just double the damage you take). It's based on decks so that players must keep their level of defense up with their ship if they want to do well, instead of just making a really large ship with no defense.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:43 pm |
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FuriousRage
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:12 pm Posts: 909
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FerrusManus wrote: Zyxxyz wrote: Okey, thanks for reassuring me ! Always good to learn things. But why did the devs include the decks in the damage you take or give ? I don't really see the use of that. The damage equation is based on the damage cap, so there must be some way to measure it. It used to be based on hull I believe, but that seemed a bit silly (double your health and you just double the damage you take). It's based on decks so that players must keep their level of defense up with their ship if they want to do well, instead of just making a really large ship with no defense. damage cap is either: 1) half your decks (IE 500/20 = 250 max damage) 2) Your (level/2) + 19 (IE (200/2)+19 = 119 max damage) which ever is greater
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:02 pm |
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Lone.Lycan
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:44 am Posts: 3751
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FuriousRage wrote: 2) Your (level/2) + 19 (IE (200/2)+19 = 119 max damage) thought the level based cap was (level+19)/2
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:23 pm |
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FerrusManus
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:32 am Posts: 4524
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Lone.Lycan wrote: FuriousRage wrote: 2) Your (level/2) + 19 (IE (200/2)+19 = 119 max damage) thought the level based cap was (level+19)/2 Yes, you are correct; it's because you start at level 1 with 20 decks, so this makes the minimum damage cap equivalent to 1 deck per rank.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:27 pm |
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FuriousRage
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:12 pm Posts: 909
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FerrusManus wrote: Lone.Lycan wrote: FuriousRage wrote: 2) Your (level/2) + 19 (IE (200/2)+19 = 119 max damage) thought the level based cap was (level+19)/2 Yes, you are correct; it's because you start at level 1 with 20 decks, so this makes the minimum damage cap equivalent to 1 deck per rank. Might be, i dont recall the exact one for level based 
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