The difference between our legions and yours has be stated before where as you are dealing 20-60 damage to a level 6 our guys are hitting 120-200+ with 50-60 people hitting this is why this happens.

The fact you think an auto clicker would even do anything proves you do not pay much attention to the game, try clicking as fast as you can on the attack button you click more times than the server registers the extra clicks are wasted... so say your clicking 7 times a seconds maybe 2-3 are going through if you set an auto clicker to 1000 clicks a second 2-3 would go through because that is how fast the server can respond auto clickers would do nothing to speed up the rate of your attacks.[/quote]

Oh please you don't have the monopoly on strong ships

Oh please you don't have the monopoly on strong ships[/quote]

monopoly? no. but the dysonians alone probably have more 1k+ players than your entire battle group.

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monopoly? no. but the dysonians alone probably have more 1k+ players than your entire battle group.[/quote]

1k doesn't necessarily mean stronger as Golg can attest. But if I'm reading their argument right a couple ships who do 100-120 damage per hit flat out is sufficient. So in our rare collabo including Golg, Mento, Jorm, Prizmz, Lazz, PsiCore, Romanoid, Bobomb, and various others all going flat out it should have also reaped similar rewards.

1k doesn't necessarily mean stronger as Golg can attest. But if I'm reading their argument right a couple ships who do 100-120 damage per hit flat out is sufficient. So in our rare collabo including Golg, Mento, Jorm, Prizmz, Lazz, PsiCore, Romanoid, Bobomb, and various others all going flat out it should have also reaped similar rewards.[/quote]



Yeah exactly.. should have, yet have not.

1k doesn't necessarily mean stronger as Golg can attest. But if I'm reading their argument right a couple ships who do 100-120 damage per hit flat out is sufficient. So in our rare collabo including Golg, Mento, Jorm, Prizmz, Lazz, PsiCore, Romanoid, Bobomb, and various others all going flat out it should have also reaped similar rewards.[/quote]

i just gave 1k as a general benchmark. and for every single person you listed there that battle group could probably come up with 5 of equal strength for each barring mento.

oh and something is messed up with how you are quoting stuff.

We used to base with NI and yes we got multiple kill shots with them also, it's not just the strength it's the numbers a 1 minute base we will generally fill all 50 slots 50 people hitting along with a good majority of the strongest ships in the game is the reason. I'm not sure how to explain the exact same thing again to you there is only so many ways to say the exact same thing...

As I stated earlier even if people did use an auto clicker it does not change the fact that the server can only register so many clicks per second and you can reach that rate simple clicking your mouse there really isn't any more to say than that.

So.. then I guess there was no reason for Dan to have banned Bunny, and many others? Your claim is that autoclickers do nothing because the servers only register so many clicks?

i think what hes saying is that with enough hitters you can basically end up with the same effect as an auto clicker.

Yeah exactly.. should have, yet have not.[/quote]

As I have been in a BG with Ni, CoT, and others...I can speak to this. First off, we got plenty of doubles in that group. Secondly, you cannot even compare the attack power and activity and coordination of their new BG to the Triumvirate. This is not a statement meant to "measure !@#$'s", but rather to state an obvious fact. Several times a person has made the relevant post - Number of ships hitting + how hard they hit = multiple kill shots. If you think your BG can honestly do 1/5th of what Tri's does, I think I might ponder inviting a visitor from that legion so you can see what hitting HARD really looks like....

As far as these doubles, etc occurring, I have a couple things to say about that as well. We need the glitch fixed, the biggest legions are clearly upsetting the legions that try very hard, but cannot replicate the frequency. Also...please bear in mind...that I said they are "trying hard" and they have themselves gotten doubles and trips etc in their own efforts.

Read between the lines guys....the "BH" is obvious to me...and BTW, no...I don't use an auto-clicker...thanks for asking.....ffs

I'm not saying you use an autoclicker Ko-Chan, but a couple people who've managed to keep it hidden did it could affect the outcome, it's no fault of the leadership if you have no way of knowing. The damage we've seen these do to the game with similar outcomes such as what Fluffers, Maudib, Morgan, et. al piques the interest of some as they managed some similar results such as the unlimited uses glitches that were found in the past, and still could be present despite fixes that were made. I'm just suggesting this as a possibility to the an issue that I find suspicious for some reason and people breaking the game is a bit more concerning to me than bloody footballs and exotica.

I gotcha, but my brain works like this:

In these "dubs" (or higher, but I'll refer them to dubs for short) there are several people getting the killshot. Many times it is myself, and I know (you can only take me at my word) that I don't use a clicker, and in the events when many people get killshots, it is highly unlikely that everyone is using clickers. Also, from what I have heard, even though lag is still bad (but better), clickers have been made irrelevant by Dan's updates to coding.

I can also say that this is in fact an "exploit". I do hope it gets fixed. At the same time, many many people try to exploit it, and the finger pointing is quite annoying if you are on my end of this discussion. This exploit doesn't intentionally hurt anyone, or the NPC, etc. It isn't keeping a planet or medal out of the reach of another legion or person by using a clear and unfair practice. It is simply hitting an object hard and fast, and that could never be viewed as cheating by a logical person.

I do hope those of you who are directing accusations in the direction of Tri's and others, you try to see it the way I do, and also try to take the true gravity of the situation in context. ie. the formula behind the dubs. I am not Dan, and only he can speak to how or why this happens exactly with true intellect, but I do know what the feed says when this occurs. It shows different people getting the final blow, or in basing, your hit shows damage and disable at the same time (and others had the same result when their last hit occurred). By "gravity", I am referring to the number and the strength of all people hitting, fast and hard, as all hell. Mento and Jorm and the like are BEASTS, and can surely do some real damage super fast. But it's a different story when you have 50-80 slightly weaker versions of those guys all hitting at the same time.

Does any of what I am saying help put things in perspective at all, or am I just wasting my time trying to defend our BG from these accusations? If I am in fact being naive, then I apologize for wasting everyone's time with posting here. I just think things should be looked at for face value, and people should stop grabbing at straws when they see things that they do not like. Some people take offense to that, and it isn't respectful in RL, or in gaming.

"and in the events when many people get killshots, it is highly unlikely that everyone is using clickers. Also, from what I have heard, even though lag is still bad (but better), clickers have been made irrelevant by Dan's updates to coding"


Yes, but even one person with a "clicker type" device can cause a server freeze, causing you, them (many times), and/or others to register a "kill" causing a 3x. 4x. 5x. or 6x (what we are talking, not "dubs"). Not to mention the lag you yourself mentioned, which no other base hunting group (with more legions, and more people hitting, albeit lower damage) seems to have, well.. unless of course your group happens to be attacking a base at the same time (go figure).





"This exploit doesn't intentionally hurt anyone, or the NPC, etc. It isn't keeping a planet or medal out of the reach of another legion or person by using a clear and unfair practice"



Totally incorrect. This could and may be used to cause 3,4,5,6X drops on npcs as well (you seeing those??) which buffs and builds your legion above all others in the game. Destroying fairness, and ruining GL for all. Then we could also go into getting 40+ silvers for a single base. Would 2 barrier nexus on all ones planets.. ie.. 20% def to all worlds be considered an unfair advantage, when others can't near match that, but did the same or more work?

and Kochan, this is not accusation so much as fact. If it is a "glitch" allowing this it needs to be fixed because the unfairness and advantage to you increases exponentially, daily, over all the rest of GL. If however it is found to be a cheat... well then hopefully Dan will do as he must.

Reality is.. even the top legion in the game cannot understand how this is happening, and feels it should not be.

You're points aren't lost, but it strikes me as familiar to a problem that was very apparent in the past. I'm just a dog with a bone at this point, there is cheating in this game, and no legion should be too full of themselves to think that it can't possibly be occurring in their legion or that of their allies. Infinity has been accused of it, The Dysonians, EoTS, Ni, GP, TU, GD, Cosa, H1, and everyone under the sun has been accused at some point it shouldn't be new. There are people I am suspicious of that I could call out but I believe until proof is slammed in front of my eyes everyone deserves the right of innocence. I'm not trying to fight anything you're saying, the point has been made. It's just...this situation for whatever reason has my attention and for whatever reason has me concerned about the stability of the game. Since there is no apparent proof of this going on there is no real reason for concern, it's just...troubling me.

@ Myth

Your comments only show that you are displeased with the fact that it happens more for some than others. My comment wasn't "totally incorrect" in any way, I was saying that by hitting in large numbers of a different strength, you get a different result. In this case, the result does help those who get the rewards, but is not in any way intentionally hurting another person/legion. It's a result of the games technical dynamics, which none of us can change, but we can surely inform Dan of what he already knows and I am sure he is working hard at repairing. I expect most people to understand this...

As far as the clickers, you nor I can speak to that, and I certainly do not wish to. Defending that topic would insinuate that I support or defend people actually using these things, and that is by no means the case. You somehow missed the meat of the conversation, which was simply explaining what we all have seen already with updates (autoclickers made ineffective) as well as how the dubs actually occur. If someone has a program that makes them click faster, it has no bearing on my personal clicks. If by some magical way it does, then this is a much bigger issue than anyone is directing misguided accusations at, and should aim their comments at the actual problem. Unfounded insults to my integrity, or that of my legion and basing group, is crossing a line that I am tired of - you - crossing.

Lets address the issue respectfully, and let Dan sort things out. As he has always done in the past, it will all be addressed. Until then (if you care), I would appreciate you laying off the personal attacks at those involved. Keep in mind, just about everyone is involved. Your legion or allies could have clickers, and just no success with producing dubs due to the fact that your group isn't as strong or active, but we get fingers pointed our way....think about it...

lol
...just lol
i'm not gonna tell the devs their jobs...they know what to look out for.
same as me...i know what to look out for too.
will just say...2nd for avg strength, wtg guys

Well the way I see it is this.... only those with something to hide get defensive when confronted.

Sorry you feel I crossed some "line" by trying to bring fairness back to GL, my deepest apologies for somehow offending you by trying to help all.

Lastly.. I find it strikingly funny that only those from your legion in all the Triumverate seem to defend this as "normal". Interesting.

Oh jeez....well...that's the type of response we all have grown to expect from such a classy fellow as yourself...

Clearly you are just crying about the simple fact that you can't hit as hard...keep crying...even if/when you steal half my planets, I'll still hit harder brosef

Keep trying your tail off for "dubs"...and getting them, just not as often...and post crap in the forums about it. I am sure it brings you a lot of the attention that you are looking for...

As far as the other nonsense you speak of, I find it "strikingly funny" that you keep trying to mass hit bases and NPC's, and still have the gull to post threads like this...you are a man in a glass house, with dirty windows....

I can show you tons of posts by many legions stating that they have had dubs, and yours more than most. You just keep whining that you haven't gotten them as much as Tri's? Come on.... I'm off this thread.... have fun being the dip that you are lol