But that's just it, you need your Legion to back you, and your Legion needs you to alert
those members so as to get badges.

I saw a post where you said you have 4 Dominions .... I guess they just fell in your lap then huh?

Nope. I have four Dominions just from attacking people on the battle tab. Don't need any legion alerts or support to do that. Just have to hit the attack button really.

Now you are starting throw extremes, and tangents that don't have anything to do with your original post. Next you'll be quoting me some percentages you found to support your theory.

1. Badge for a Badge, colour doesn't matter. If you hack me, I will disable you. If you disable me, I will disable you, etc. If you don't want me to continue disabling you, stop bothering me. You started it.

2. If you are alerting a random off a BT because he returned fire at you, and now your upset...

a) S/he's kicking your ass, and yes, you can't handle it so you want to bring friends to the party.
b) S/he's an easy badge, and you want to gloat about your victory, and farm them. More than likely a #*&$ move.

Your scenario does not even apply to "badging". It applies to being alerted, which is no longer a random BT. The person is apparently being farmed, and for some reason repairing 49x's throughout the alert (okay then...). You've been alerted, its no longer about badges, it's about miffed feelings and possibly egos at this point. But for arguments sake, lets follow your scenario. Apparently I have done 49 hacks on the battle tab, for some reason, a single person from those that I've hacked has now alerted me. That's 1/49 aggressive actions I've done out there in the galaxy. I deserved the red badge hit that I took, because earlier I hacked him. Now the 48 x's that I apparently was disabled, and repaired, by his legion, guess what? Those are separate from the people I did on the battle tab. This isn't Karma. Your legion mates don't even out the score. Their zero'ing my actions and farming me. For a single hack on a member that disabled me. That leads to war. Now its me and my legion vs them. If you were hit 49x's by the same legion, that's not badging, that's war. Oh but while I'm at war, if those other 48 people that I randomly badged come back for their badges? Yeah, no hard feelings.

I'll say it again. Badge for a badge regardless of colour. You will not ever convince me otherwise. If you hack me, I am free to do whatever I want in return. Understand that before you do anything back. Because if you disabled me because I disabled you due to a hack? Guess what? I still owe you. If you alert there after, see point 2.

Justcae, I already posted my scenerio.

I hacked for a Blue Badge, the person who was hacked Arted up and disabled me after
throwing arts at me and repairing in the process.
I disabled them due to the fact that a Red Badge is clearly better than the 5E Blue Badge I got from a hack.

I now get comm'd with obscenities and claims that the disable was a fair badge hit, and now I
have 2 (1 Blue & 1 Red) and due to the fact that you've blown up my comm with obscenities,
and I will now raid you for one Yellow taking a Tri.

More obscenities on my comm, hit with a containment missile every hour, almost, and then
have my traps get taken down one by one over and over.
It is now my turn to "warn" you to stay off of my tab.
More traps blown, missiled again, and disabled while I sleep ... 2 Red to his favor.
My turn to return said favor ... lather rinse repeat.
More obscenities on my comm ... and I've had enough .. I disable him yet again, tell them
to get off of my comm, let it go, or be alerted.

Now since they didn't listen, and think it's fun to blow up my comm again, time to make them disappear
by alerting them. Not once, and not twice ... we are done... and I will no longer play
patty cake with a badge trade, my Legion will now hack and raid to get badges as well ....

... because as I said ... don't be upset ... it's only badge for badge right?

They take a Blue or Yellow from you .... now it's your turn to take a Red from them as well ...

Ummm... Yeah. I have 4 dominions with almost all badges from the battle tab. I took out a couple guys who decided to escalate on me and got badges from them.

Asking them for help would have been silly. Know when you are outnumbered. Know when to fight and know when to yield. Finally, know when to ask others for help (extremely rare).

Like I said, I take my lumps and move on. And yes, 4 dominions and I've taken my lumps. 44 disables on me with a little over 160 disables to others. I accept and move forward. I might not have an insane or other high status but that's OK.

And you? Are you one to freak when disabled? Hmmm?

I was referring to the 49 badge scenario. But let's go over yours more in depth if only because you took the time to respond.



Badge for badge. In my eyes, you would have been even after his disable. The artifacts he used were probably resources he had to use in order to get the disable for reasonable energy. How he got the return badge, no consequence. Even this evening I had a "Gift of the Naughty" thrown on me. Had a good conversation with the guy after believe it or not. Long weekends make people more personable. Back on topic. You felt you had the crap end of the stick and went for a red as well. You do now have 2 badges : 1 badge. He owes you in my eyes.



I'm assuming the raid is done by you because he had not repaired. You're up 3:1. However, really, he was cussing you out on comm's and your raid wasn't for a badge so much as a "So there!" for the swearing. You've turned it into more than a badge hit by going back for the red, and he's bothered you by swearing. I'll call the yellow a wash, badge for cussing? Score, 2:1 in your favour.



This paragraph, or series of events is a little harder to follow, so if I get it wrong forgive me. He's pissed over the raid. You're both online so he's not going to blow resources by going through your traps for a kill popping nulls. However, due to mutual dislike at this point he decides to make your life miserable for the extra disable/raid you threw his way.

The containment missile / hour is likely an exaggeration that we can convert to "He shot me with a containment missile everytime i had buffs." Likely because you're tougher than him correct? I'd say at this point, it really is far beyond a "Farming Badges", and has gone directly into a PvP circumstance. However, lets continue to look at if from a badge point. He disables you while you sleep leaving it 2:2 (discounting the raid as stated above). You're angry at his missiles, trap running, and as stated this has turned into far more than a badge thing. You return the disable. Badge count 3:2 in your favour.



You alerted. No longer wanting to deal with the situation you created, and both he and you escalated. He by trap running/missiles(pissing you off), you by upping the badge ante because you feel that it's not fair that he gets a red while you only get a blue. You're still up 3:2.




It would have been, but as noted above, this is not a badge situation. This is a disagreement. If it was badge for a badge you would not have gone after him for a red badge. You started it. You escalated the badge count. He has a potty mouth and upset you. In the end, you get frustrated with his actions, and alert him.

Summation (You)

• You initiated the conflict.
• You upped the badge count.
• You alerted when you were frustrated with him.

Summation (Him)

• He cussed out/flooded your comm.
• He ruined your traps, and destroyed your buffs after you escalated.
• He didn't back down, so was alerted.

End Result

I would have badged you back when you came for your second badge. I wouldn't have bothered with the missiles/trap running because that's not how I play and is completely something to do with this situation. Has nothing to do with "Proper Etiquette of Badging". I do not play like either of you. Badge for a badge. End of story. If you followed it, none of it would have happened.

Note: I know you can not always get the tone of a conversation on a message board. Please understand I'm not saying this in a confrontational way. Simply how I see this situation as a 3rd party observer.

Edit: Added colours to your quotes to highlight your (red) actions, from his (blue) actions.

Please edit your comments, we do not need swearing in the forums or this thread
magically goes away.


"Proper Etiquette of Badging"?

You alerted when you were frustrated with him.

Frustrated? No, tired of warning him? Yes.
I wasted enough E telling him to back off this scenario or it will end bad.
I left him alone for 2 days when his Legion comm'd me, and he took it upon himself
to continue ...

Now ... I never said Proper Etiquette of Badging, because there is no Etiquette of Badging.

If I hack you, it's not because I want to start a war, I'm just playing the game so to say.
If I get disabled because of said hack, I have upset them because of the hack.

Which is a better stat to have on your list?

Battles <-------- This?
Player Kills <--------- This?
Deaths from Players
Non-Player Kills
Planets Found
Planets Occupied
Planets Captured
Missions Completed
Scans Performed
Successful Hacks <----- or this?
Successful Raids


Aaaaaah stay away from him! ... he's a hacker! ... never comes to mind now does it?

By taking the red badge for the hack the whole scenario has escalated, because a disable is an act of war, and you
gain a better weapon from it than you do a hack, don't deny it.
And again, don't say crit hack, because it goes both ways.
You can never "give" a red badge by being disabled because you didn't repair in the process.

Other members already stated that they alert on a simple hack ... I do not ... I only alert when
when they do everything possible to me to get another red badge and don't heed my warning.
We were online at the same time a few times when he blew a trap, I put them back up, and
he took them down again.

Also, the missile almost every hour, not an exaggeration.
It was hit over and over until my Halcyon wore off of him, which lasts an hour, until he had no more no doubt.
He did hit me 3x in row once with Containment missiles .... I LOL'd at that moment ... because I must
have made him mad ... and then he continued the scenario.

I think green for blue is fair.

[quote="DariousTheDark"]By taking the red badge for the hack the whole scenario has escalated, because a disable is an act of war.



I carefully read the whole thread and by far this is the stupidest thing that was said. The taking of a blue badge is an act of aggression, the taking of ANY badge is an act of aggression. And you can't say a red badge has more worth than a blue badge because for that blue badge you are getting research points on average in the range of 500 RP so you are benefiting as well outside of JUST a badge. So, all badges being equal, you started the aggression and then complain when you get "badged" in return and you escalate it by badging again and then you have the audacity to alert to your legion so they can farm him all while claiming your sweet innocence that you didn't start the aggression. I will say this, trash talk is pointless and foul mouthed trash talk is even worse so I do get annoyed at players that use it, but your excuse for alerting supposedly based on his comm "etiquette" is a bunch of malarkey. PoTC alerts everyone regardless of actions, so this whole thread to justify your actions and salve your conscience is bogus.

I never complained ... go back to the first statement ...
I hack you, you hack me back ... we're even.
I hack you, you disable me, we are not even, now I get to disable you and
wait for you to hack me ... if you choose to escalate this, then war it is.

If you begin to blow up my comm with swearing, foul language and the unfairness of
said acts, I will now raid you while you are disabled.

I took blue badge, take one from me and call it a day.
Take a red from me, and I will take one from you ... all fair.

Begin another onslaught when I leave you alone, you get alerted due to annoyance.
Now you can yet your badges from the ones who are now farming you as well because they
are on your news list, and you have access to their ships .. also all fair ... hack them
and get more blue badges .... it's still blue for blue right?
Oh, you'd rather take a red from them, but you can't because you're on alert, and under
constant disable ... so I guess it is your turn again to blow up everyone, including my comm with swearing
because you think that's fair.




wow ... really ... the stupidest thing that was said ...

So look at your stats, and then look at the stats of the person you are going to red badge.
You are telling me you would not red badge a laughable, but a savage or an insane?
No, you wouldn't, you would badge the laughable because of his stats.
You are also telling me you would never hack someone who has hacked 1500 members because a hacker
is scarier than a savage battle rep right?

Again, you are gaining a better badge when you disable a member over a hack is my whole point, and it does not
make it badge for badge.
So if I hack you, and you disable me instead of a hack, it is now an act of aggression ...

Don't spew out "oh, but you get RP from it and that's deadlier", please ... so now raiding vessels are deadly?
My Decryption Quad-Frame will now dismantle ... your ... ship ....
My Planetary Counter-Intelligence Nexus will .. dismantle ... your ... dang ...
My Tactical Inner-Bypass might shut down one Dominion Cannon if I'm lucky.

RPs ... yea, those 100 - 200 RP hacks help on those 200k + researches ... it makes them go soo much faster.
Stealing planet locations on a crit? 99% of the crit hacks are planets owned by someone else, never the
one you crited.
How much do you spend on planet scans? How many of those planet scans were enemy planets?
What? Why you just scanned 20 planets and 18 of them were enemy planets? Huh?
Crit hack, please.
Crit disabled by a member with 4 Dominions, and an addition to their stats ... yea ... that's fair for my one little blue badge.

*edit*
Just a side note, I'm replying to comments made, and trying to keep it on topic at the same time.

the point about hacking everyone has missed is...to get a blue badge off me, your scan is better than my cloak, yes?
so if i want a blue badge back i need to alter my ship build to increase cloak to get past your scan?...no
i use my better firepower to take a red badge, cos cannons are lighter than scanners.
we both have a badge and honour is satisfied as far as i'm concerned...a follow up disable and raid from you is an act of war and if i'm alerted then it will be fireworks as we both are in legions that don't back down much.
after 4 dominions the red badges are useless apart from combat reputation.
the blue badges buy you some nice planet buildings etc...blues are worth more than reds imo, but you'll never agree to that i'm guessing?

Best reply in the thread. I was actually going to make a note of that earlier too!

The badging would be equal. How much that planet is worth may be a different matter entirely!



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Etiquette

Etiquette of Badging. Referring to the opening title of the thread. Etiquette being the...(click the linky)

As far as the rest of it, I really don't think I can lay it out any better than I did. There are no new points to be made, or I'm just repeating other things already posted. If you'd have hacked me, I'd have disabled you had I felt inclined to return the badge. And yes, I would have felt we were even. If you came back at me, I would have disabled you again to even the score. Wash rinse repeat. At the end of the day, you can not dictate my action. When you badge me for whatever reason, you leave yourself in my comm for any reaction I feel necessary.

Best of luck to everyone badging out there. Happy 4th of July!

et·i·quette   
[et-i-kit, -ket] –noun
1.
conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.
2.
a prescribed or accepted code of usage in matters of ceremony, as at a court or in official or other formal observances.
3.
the code of ethical behavior regarding professional practice or action among the members of a profession in their dealings with each other: medical etiquette.

Huh? ... the name of the tread is:


I never said badge etiquette anywhere, you did, and several times I might add.

I'm talking about a scenario that happened, and the events of what transpired.
How members get alerted, think they can take it all on on their own, and think it is now their
right to blow up comms with foul language.

Actually I have mentioned "etiquette" twice, now three times. Once in my post where I broke down that you were the instigator, and the escalator of the situation. The second time I used it twice in response to you questioning the word. And now a third time.

But let me break it down because it does not seem to be abundantly clear. You went to the link, you read the page, or at least copy pasted the related material and still my profound statement of "Proper Badging Etiquette" seems to have rubbed a nerve or something.



The opening title of the thread states that you believe people do not understand how to play the game or the codes its players follow. You further go on to describe how you feel this persons behavior is grossly overstated and not inline with the accepted means. The word "Etiquette" would apply to what we are discussing. It is in such a manner that I have used the word. No, you never stated it, I did. No where did I quote you saying it. I used it to describe and contrast the behavior you have outlined. Now that is cleared up...



This entire thread, and all it's responses attributed to you can be summed up in the following.

1. You feel wronged by him taking a red badge when you only hacked him.
2. You felt justified in taking a red badge in return.
3. You were upset when he flooded your comms with language which you found uncouth, and rude. And so raided him.
4. When he did not back down, after breaking several traps, and destroying your buffs as he could and disabled you again (Evening the score, minus the raid), you returned the disable(returning a badge count advantage to you).
5. Repeat step 4 until...
6. When this continued you threatened to alert him. When your threat did not have the desired affect, you alerted so that your legion could deal with him.
7. You're now seeking justification in that what you did was right. And how you can not believe someone acted in such a manner towards you.

You've posted the series of events from your side several times now. In a previous post I broke down, and even colour coded the play by play. It shows in your own words how you started it, escalated it, and finally "finished" it with a legion alert.

A side topic to the discussion is that you feel that red badges are more valuable than blue badges. And most people seem to be in agreement that though a Dominion Canon is a nice reward, blue badges have far more varied use. In point of fact, after 160 red badges, they are absolutely useless at this point in time. Through this means of pros and cons the "badge for a badge" argument has equal value. Red badges garnering you a singular nice reward, while blue badges may be put to use for three rewards. Each with their own merit, though singularly not as powerful and intimidating as the much feared and daunting Dominion Canon.

My suggestion? If you don't want a similar result, when a similar situation pops up block his comms. Let the red badge go. If you do not, then you are going to end up in the same situation repeatedly. A situation that you have created. Which is fine, this is a war game after all.

Please direct all "Proper Badging Etiquette" here.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9422

Or read the very first post in this thread when you try to do the same thing.

Bottom line--you see it one way and others see it another way.
If you hack me I will disable you if I want to play back at you. I don't care if it is fair or proper etiquette. My ship is designed to take people out.

I do, I fry anything that moves. Not for badges, but just for the hell of destroying #&$#.

finally someone else that doesnt PvP for badges, but for the fun of destroying #&$#.

I'm just going to throw my two cents in here. I'm to the point that if some one hits me and posts "Badge" on my comm, depending on who they are, I will normally not care and just destroy them anyways. When I say destroy I mean 0 them out. Why, you may ask? Because I can and I don't need to deal with all of it. I take any attack on me as an act of war most of the time and will respond as if you just took a world from me. And I expect anyone I hit to treat me in the same manner. I, unlike most, do not alert no matter what. I see no point to it really besides letting my friends have some fun with you. But I would rather have all the fun and take out anyone who is dumb enough to try and start anything. If I start it and you fight back I thank you because not many have the spine to do that any more. Most just hide and hope I forget about them.

So what I am trying to say is that to me no badge is really better or worse then the others. A badge is a badge and to get one it means that they would of had to of tried to disable your ship or take something from you that you have worked hard on getting. Regardless of what it was I will take it as an act of war.