Hi All,

I'm coming out of a protracted fight with a lower ranked player who, for the purposes of this entry, will remain nameless. What should have been a simple badge kill escalated into a week long grudge match because the player in question held a misguided view of the importance of rank in pvp, a view which I've seen often repeated on these boards.

Some players get incensed when a higher ranked player disables them and immediately label the aggressor a bully. It's not bullying and here's why:

-The diminishing return on weapons after Heavy Null Rays means that even players with more than 100 levels separating them are almost always equipped with the same 8 guns.
-Artefacts can level and/or tilt the odds in anyone's favour, regardless of rank, which leads us to the most important point...
-The only factor that has any bearing on a pvp engagement is whether or not your opponent happens to be online when you attack.

The bottom line is that if you're in another player's battle tab then that player has every right to disable you. Players who whine to the contrary either don't understand how basic this (admittedly terrific) game is or are hypocritically looking for excuses to behave like bullies themselves.

i agree. ive been disabled a few times off the battle tab, and because of that, i installed cloaking modules on my ship. anyone who shows up on the battle tab CANNOT COMPLAIN that theyve been killed because they dont have enough cloak. unless theyve hit a quantum firewall, its their own fault, and need to reconfigure their ship build.

Personally, this is one of the reasons I'd like to see PvP out of the game. All it does is start people whining, then people start whining about the people who are whining, and someone decides to gang-bang one or the other of the whiners...

Bah!

There's always Farmville if you don't like it.

In Farmville people whining too.
They whining about other people steal publication with facebook game program.
They whining never have good item in random one ....

Where people are, people whining.

Sigh......
But there is no PvP.......

How about a space-oriented game, or even a fantasy oriented game, without the PvP crap? Where you go hunt the monsters or enemy races out in the world, but there aren't other @$$3$ out there who think it's fun to dog-pile on the beginners? Seriously - how different would Galaxy Legion really be if the Battle tab only had the NPCs, and didn't have the silly other PCs section to it? Almost *NONE*. The only real difference would be you wouldn't have jerks sitting at their computer giggling like Beavis saying "heh heh I screwed up someone's day! heh heh heh! Hey, Butthead, I said screwed! Heh heh heh!"

Not to sound coarse, but if you don't like it, leave. This game is built the way it is, and there are well defined ways to play. If you're unhappy with something that everyone has to go through in this game, then you need to find a different game.

Almost no difference? It is a huge difference. For many high level players, PvP is the only thing keeping them in the game. Taking PvP out of the mix wold make this game boring.

Really? Maybe I'm crazy, but are you suggesting that the developer cater to your desires and completely change the dynamics of the game?

How different would it be with zero PvP? I would guess that it would suck.

A space-oriented game, without PvP? really? good luck to find a game like it (and still exist)

A space-oriented game, without PvP, it's like Aliens, everyone speak about, but nobody have ever seen it!

really? the next thing your gona probibly suggest is not being able to invade planets. infact, lets just take offensive stuff out of the game completely and make it into farmville. or... we could stop whining and get on with it. so what if you get disabled or disable someone else. its a bloody game! get over it and get on with it.

Lol. Wanna know the truth? Once Dan removes PVP out of GL, GL will die fast.. PVP is the only real reason why lot of high rank players kept playing GL even if there is no high end content other than NPCs to keep them interested.. Once PVP got removed, Dysonian Legion would suddenly see lot of inactive members that I know for sure would happen.. I believe that The Dysonians legion is the largest cash cow legion in the galaxy to help Dan to stay employed.. I could be wrong but from what I am seeing, it seems to be true heh. Dan would "kill" large chunk of his income by disabling PVP thus removing biggest incentive to continue developing GL.. I think NOT! He designed GL with PVP in mind ground-up.. Best course of action is to create entirely new GL-lite universe with no PVP where those coward farmville crowd can have fun so he can have extra income flow without alienating existing player base in GL-elite universe.

I don't agree that the game would end.
Nor do I believe the Dysonians continue to contribute that much to his income base.
I do think he actually loses a lot of players because of a pvp system that you can't walk away from to go to work or bed or just live.
A lot of people won't even start playing as they don't want to work at building something up then have to worry about what they lost while they were offline.
The planet interactions are fine, but putting up with griefers and bullies isn't.
A game should be fun.. not a stress builder.
And any change isn't going to make everyone happy.
But there are probably many more players who have voted no to the pvp and quit than there are players active in the game. Wonder what kind of income loss that is?
I wonder what his attrition rate really is?
Somehow there has to be some middle ground for the casual player.
And in case you didn't notice.. farmville is a pretty popular game.. boring or not.
May really just comes down to Dan's vision. He must be driven by the fun of the game and creation too.

of course you can walk away from this game to a real life! all you need are 2 things. high attack and high cloak. if you have massive cloak then people cant find you. if you have high attack when people try to attack you they take hundreds of damage back, and then leave you alone. its all about ship build. if youre getting killed on a daily bases, then reconfigure ur ship, because its awful, or take the easy route and join a dogpile legion so people will leave you alone.

cloak is the casual players safety net and it's all you really need. It's pretty rare for pvp'rs to stack scan so if you make your focus cloak it's pretty easy to get to the point that you only get hit once or twice a month by people near the top of your badge limit. Which is far more casual friendly than most games. Even at the top ranks where it's not that difficult to get 3-4k scan most of the aggressive players still have better pvp oriented modules they'd rather use and plenty of targets that don't have cloak. In fact less scan is more likely to get you easier (lower level) targets or other pvpers so it's in their favor.

You know why all politicians give tax reduction to huge compagny and not to mid-range people? Because Huge compagny bring more cash in the country box.

Same thing here, why this game are axe on PvP, because PvP bring more cash. that's it.

I always assumed it kept certain ppl in the game longer, cause let's face it ppl who kill hundreds of NPC realized the drop rate isn't any better for them, and the only mission to grind is to find more planets. Now, I just rank and get more artifacts to do .. what exactly ? Boost decks and energy, so I can ... rank more to ... I don't know anymore. I've already invested too much time to quit, and I figure some features will come along that occasionally occupy me for a bit. I don't see PvP being one of those features for me because I don't care about boards, relative risk/reward isn't good, and ppl over-react to pretty much any aggressive thing you do in this game and I get tired of hearing it. I do like having friendly legions and helping people, I find that's all that's keeping me active, and this never-ending search for planets.

<insert Kaos-style rant about boredom lol>

everything would be different, no raiding, no hacking, no contest, no competition, no invading planets, no legions wars, no fear of planet being invaded, no leaderboards, no combat reputations, traps are useless, no fear of being attacked, no excitement, no pvp strategy, whats the point of planetary shields and minefields if noone gonna invade your planet, you will never get disabled, youll never have the fun of battling a real life opposition who also is actively thinking and fighting back, fighting npcs is just target practice, whats the point of traps if noones gonna attack you, whats thepoint of EMPs and disarming and cannons and defences and spy probes and planet fluxes if your not gonna use 'em EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE, why don't you write a slab of text on "suggestions and ideas" of how the game would work with out pvp and im sure everyone will give a clap.

Well, there are co-operative and competitive games (or both in this case). Some ppl enjoy each but both are needed. I enjoy the co-op aspect of legions, and some people like the other. I don't see half the ppl staying without that possibility to compete though.

Being disabled really isn't that big of a deal anyway; don't worry too much.