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 attack ratio needed to guarantee 1 shotting chargers 
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i can 1 shot chargers some of the time, and it doesnt matter if my attack is 40K or 48K (shockpulse charger)
my usual damage is 2200-2500, the magic number im looking for is 2400+
their def is ~3500

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Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:39 pm
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I'd guess 70k for it to be always.

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If I knew your rank, I could tell you exactly but I can't see you in IF's roster atm so I can't check.

Generally though, since damage tiers off, adding 20% attack wont always make much difference. Since 1HKOing chargers is right at the cap, it's pretty suspect to that. You can start to cap on an opponent at 10:1 attack:defense, but to cap every time takes 26:1.

The attack needed to cap on a charger 100% of the time, at any given rank is:

(9*(Rank/3+Rank/15)-50)*26

Don't feel like working that out? Neither would I.

60:1 attack:rank is a more "rule-of-thumb" type measure though. :)

As I say, to 1HKO chargers you pretty much have to cap. Coming very close to the cap will do you okay, so the strict 26:1 isn't needed. I'd say it's between the 55:1 and 60:1 range for attack:rank you're looking at, except that it gets easier as you go up.

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my rank 966, semi quickly aiming for 1K for the broken autonomous thingie :P

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thunderbolta wrote:
(9*(Rank/3+Rank/15)-50)*26=Their Defense*26


complicated...

Any way it varies per rank, I can 1 shot them unbuffed because it is so low.

You shouldn't even really worry about it, their HP will increase shortly and you won't be able to until post rank 1040, then you can start caring about it.

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yeah i recalled someone posting that their HP went up at some point. didnt know if that continued after you were able to 1 shot them or not.

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icarium81 wrote:
yeah i recalled someone posting that their HP went up at some point. didnt know if that continued after you were able to 1 shot them or not.


It does get too high to 1 shot at one point, like Fluffy mentioned, but after that you'll get to the point when you can 1-shot them again, and after that you'll always be able to.


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thunderbolta wrote:
60:1 attack:rank is a more "rule-of-thumb" type measure though. :)

So, uh, this applies more to when you're safely above the area where the health plays jump rope with the cap.

To 1-hit-KO a Sha'din Charger every single time you'll need: 81,870 attack.
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You Deal: 2415(2400 to 2415) Damage.
Your opponent dies in: 1(1 to 1) hits.


To be honest though, 45,000 will have you 1 hit KOing roughly half the time, and as it goes up you'll 1HKO most of the time.

Enjoy doubling your attack. :mrgreen:

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ouch.. i CAN hit 60K or so, but thats with crux amp, UST, and the module.

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You need
ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(Rank)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(Rank*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(Rank/15+Rank/3, 0)-50))
attack to one shot charger.
You may copy paste the following into any excel cell(except A1) and put your rank into cell A1 to find the value
=ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(A1)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(A1*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(A1/15+A1/3, 0)-50))
Probably works in some programs other than excel as well, you got the idea.

Note that one shot will be impossible between 977 and 1039 (inclusive). The amount of atk required is at a minimal right before the jump, 976 requiring only 68959 attack power. Inputting rank number within this number range will result in error.

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i forgot to say thank you to you intelligent folks.
thank you :) ill have to work hard on my attack for the next while

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Uy23e wrote:
You need
ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(Rank)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(Rank*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(Rank/15+Rank/3, 0)-50))
attack to one shot charger.
You may copy paste the following into any excel cell(except A1) and put your rank into cell A1 to find the value
=ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(A1)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(A1*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(A1/15+A1/3, 0)-50))
Probably works in some programs other than excel as well, you got the idea.

Note that one shot will be impossible between 977 and 1039 (inclusive). The amount of atk required is at a minimal right before the jump, 976 requiring only 68959 attack power. Inputting rank number within this number range will result in error.


Doesn't work.... Im rank 161
I get '#NUM!'

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muppetds wrote:
Uy23e wrote:
You need
ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(Rank)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(Rank*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(Rank/15+Rank/3, 0)-50))
attack to one shot charger.
You may copy paste the following into any excel cell(except A1) and put your rank into cell A1 to find the value
=ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(A1)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(A1*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(A1/15+A1/3, 0)-50))
Probably works in some programs other than excel as well, you got the idea.

Note that one shot will be impossible between 977 and 1039 (inclusive). The amount of atk required is at a minimal right before the jump, 976 requiring only 68959 attack power. Inputting rank number within this number range will result in error.


Doesn't work.... Im rank 161
I get '#NUM!'


you need be rank 960-976 or 1040+ for it to work

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Littlefluffy wrote:
muppetds wrote:
Uy23e wrote:
You need
ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(Rank)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(Rank*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(Rank/15+Rank/3, 0)-50))
attack to one shot charger.
You may copy paste the following into any excel cell(except A1) and put your rank into cell A1 to find the value
=ATANH((ROUND(SQRT(A1)*40,-2)*2-0.5)/(A1*2.5))/(0.6/5/(9*ROUND(A1/15+A1/3, 0)-50))
Probably works in some programs other than excel as well, you got the idea.

Note that one shot will be impossible between 977 and 1039 (inclusive). The amount of atk required is at a minimal right before the jump, 976 requiring only 68959 attack power. Inputting rank number within this number range will result in error.


Doesn't work.... Im rank 161
I get '#NUM!'


you need be rank 960-976 or 1040+ for it to work


yea i figured that out straight after i posted that.
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